'Ex-gay' therapist cited for ethics breeches
Tom Musbach, PlanetOut Network
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 / 06:19 PM
Richard Cohen, an influential figure in the "ex-gay" movement, has been permanently expelled from the American Counseling Association (ACA) because of ethics violations, according to an ACA document...
Here is a very good opinion piece by Mel White concerning Fundamentalists (from a variety of religions) who blame the Tsunami in part on homosexuals.
We have been warned: A closer look at extremists who blame LGBT people for disasters
by the Rev. Dr. Mel White, executive director, Soulforce
December 16, 2004
After the catastrophic tsunamis struck on Dec. 26, most religious leaders of every faith rushed to their pulpits and urged their members to support the victims of this natural tragedy with prayers, food, clothing, medicine and money...
An interesting editorial in today's New York Times from Nicholas Kristof entitled God and Sex.
The anti-gay forces, and especially some of the para-church Religious Right organizations, love to attempt to demonstrate how and why homosexuality and homosexuals are bad for society, self-destructive, and should be opposed at every turn. They sight statistics invalidly applied attempting to prove that the life expectancy of gay men, according to some accounts, is only 49 years old. A study that was conducted in Canada during the 1980's and early 90's and published in the International Journal of Epidemiology is used to validate their claims.
The authors of the study responded in 2001 to the anti-gay forces use of their study to justify their efforts to discriminate against and denigrate homosexuals. The authors clarify what their study actually said and that the anti-gay forces are misusing and misapplying the findings. Remember, the study was conducted during the height of the AIDS epidemic in an urban setting and before many of the drug regiments that currently suppress the infection.
They point out, "If we were to repeat this analysis today the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men would be greatly improved. Deaths from HIV infection have declined dramatically in this population since 1996. As we have previously reported there has been a threefold decrease in mortality in Vancouver as well as in other parts of British Columbia."
Here is the link to their response. It is worth reading!
http://ije.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/full/30/6/1499
Here is another link to a Slate article concerning the use of Paul Cameron's statistics concerning gay male life-expecance: click here
In case the Slate article soon passes out of availablity, here it is:
hey, wait a minute: The conventional wisdom debunked.
William Bennett, Gays, and the Truth
Mr. Virtue dabbles in phony statistics.
By Walter Olson
Posted Friday, Dec. 19, 1997, at 12:30 AM PT
"This is tough news. It's not pleasant to hear," said former Education Secretary William Bennett on ABC's This Week Nov. 9. "But it's very important, and it's part of telling the truth." The occasion for tough-but-needed truth telling: Bill Clinton's first-ever presidential speech to an organized gay-rights group, the Human Rights Campaign. Clinton had conferred respectability--wrongly--on the gay quest for approval when in fact, said Bennett, he "should tell the truth on this one": Homosexuality "takes 30 years off your life." The average life expectancy for gay men, Bennett declared, was just 43.
Many a mother's heart around the country must have sunk at that moment amid premonitions that she would outlive her son. A well-known public figure would think twice before delivering tidings that grim, right? And Bennett's statistic was no slip. Only days later, in the Nov. 24 Weekly Standard, he repeated the assertion phrased for maximum emphasis:
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"The best available research suggests that the average life span of male homosexuals is around 43 years of age. Forty-three." (Italics his.)
Yes, it's a sensational, arresting number, which may soon pass into general circulation. Already, for example, the National Review has repeated it unskeptically in an editorial. Where did the figure come from, and how plausible is it?
Bennett got the number from Paul Cameron, a researcher well known to followers of gay controversies. Cameron, a former assistant professor at the University of Nebraska who has consulted for such gay-rights opponents as former Rep. William Dannemeyer, R-Calif., heads a group called the Family Research Institute. Cameron resigned under fire from the American Psychological Association and was later formally terminated from membership following complaints about his research methods. He has had run-ins with other professional groups, including the Nebraska Psychological Association and the American Sociological Association. According to Mark Pietrzyk's exposé in the Oct. 3, 1994, New Republic, the state of Colorado initially hired Cameron as an expert witness to defend its statute restricting gay-rights ordinances, then elected not to use his testimony after it got a closer look. His life-span figures have circulated for years in religious-right circles, but Bennett's comments appear to represent their first real breakout into wider public discussion.
Cameron's method had the virtue of simplicity, at least. He and two co-authors read through back numbers of various urban gay community papers, mostly of the giveaway sort that are laden with bar ads and personals. They counted up obituaries and news stories about deaths, noted the ages of the deceased, computed the average, and published the resulting numbers as estimates of gay life expectancy.
Illustration by Robert Neubecker
What do vital-statistics buffs think of this technique? Nick Eberstadt at the American Enterprise Institute sums up the reactions of several of his fellow demographers: "The method as you describe it is just ridiculous." But you don't have to be a trained statistician to spot the fallacy at its heart, which is, to quote Centers for Disease Control and Prevention statistician John Karon, that "you're only getting the ages of those who die." Gay men of the same generation destined to live to old age, even if more numerous, won't turn up in the sample.
Other critics rattle off further objections. The deaths reported in these papers, mostly AIDS deaths, will tend to represent the community defined by such papers or directly known to their editors. It will include relatively more subjects who live in town and are overtly gay and relatively few who blend into the suburbs and seldom set foot in bars. It will overrepresent those whose passing strikes others as newsworthy and underrepresent those who end their days in retired obscurity in some sunny clime.
Bennett
Illustration by Robert Neubecker
is a busy man, but even he has access to the back of an envelope. A moment's thought might have suggested a few simple test calculations. Suppose he assumes--wildly pessimistically, given current incidence data--that half the gay male population is destined to catch the AIDS virus and die of it. The actual average age of AIDS patients at death has been about 40. (Presumably protease inhibitors will extend average longevity, but that will only increase Bennett's difficulty.) For the number 43 to be the true average death age for the entire population of gay males, HIV-negative gay men would, on average, have to keel into their graves at 46. Looked at another way, if even half the gay male population stays HIV-negative and lives to an average age of 75, an average overall life span of 43 implies that gay males with AIDS die at an implausibly early average age (11, actually).
Against this, Cameron and his supporters argue that, according to their survey of obits, even if they don't have AIDS, homosexual males tend to die by their mid-40s (and lesbians by their late 40s). Some downright peculiar results followed from this inference. One is that--contrary to the opinion of virtually everyone else in the world--AIDS in fact hasn't reduced gay males' life expectancy by that much--a few years, at most. Moreover, the obits also recorded lots of violent and accidental deaths. From this Cameron and company concluded not that newsworthy deaths tend to get into newspapers, but that gays must experience shockingly high rates of violent death. With a perfectly straight face they report, for example, that lesbians are at least 300 times more likely to die in car crashes than females of similar ages in general.
Unfortunately there really is no satisfactory measure of actual life expectancy among gay men. However, Harry Rosenberg, the mortality-statistics chief at the National Center for Health Statistics, says he's unaware of evidence that HIV-negative gays have a lower life expectancy than other males. Rosenberg also points to one reason to think the HIV-negative gay male may actually live longer on average than the straight male: Gays may have higher incomes and more education on average than straights--two factors powerfully correlated with longer life spans. (Bennett himself appears to share this view, terming gays, "as a group, wealthy and well educated.")
Challenged by the Human Rights Campaign's Elizabeth Birch in the letters column of the Dec. 8 Standard, Bennett, remarkably, dug in to defend the Cameron numbers, which he said coincided with the views of other authorities such as psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover. Satinover's 1996 book, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, does discuss gay life spans, but cites as its authority ... Cameron's study. In other words, Bennett is not adducing a second authority for his assertions but merely falling back on the first via its recycling by another writer.
Throughout the controversy, Bennett has made much of the cause of "truth" with a capital T. His Standard article, portentously titled "Clinton, Gays, and the Truth," accused the Clintonites of scanting that important commodity. Bennett is right to the extent that there's no excuse for telling falsehoods in the course of raising otherwise legitimate issues. He should mind his own lesson.
Walter Olson is the author of The Excuse Factory and a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute.
> from Philanthropy News Digest/Foundation Center newsletter
> August 27, 2004
> Civil Society
>
> University of Massachusetts economist Lee Badgett has studied marriage
> customs in the Scandinavian countries and the Netherlands, where same-sex
> marriage or same-sex partnership rights have existed for up to fifteen
> years. She found, and noted in a briefing paper prepared for the Council
> on Contemporary Families and the Institute for Gay and Lesbian Strategic
> Studies, that previously existing trends in marriage, divorce,
> cohabitation, and out-of-wedlock childbearing did not change. In fact, in
> Denmark, heterosexual marriage rates increased after the adoption of
> same-sex marriage and are now the highest they have been since the early
> 1970s. Divorce rates remained the same in the countries studied. The
> majority of families with children are headed by married couples. In
> Norway, 77 percent of couples with children are married and in the
> Netherlands, 75 percent, compared to 72 percent in the United States.
> According to Badgett, the Scandinavian and Dutch experience suggests
> there is little reason to think heterosexual couples would eschew
> marriage if gay and lesbian couples got the same rights.
I'm feeling much better, but still staying low. I actually have time on my hands.
I've been reading the latest edition of Christianity Today, which takes on the topic of gay marriage. The first article, What God Hath Not Joined: Why Marriage Was Designed for Male and Female, by Edith M. Humphre (associate professor at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary) deals with a variety of points from an anti-gay perspective. Under the heading Distorted Image, she asks what it means to give an authentic welcome to the Church for non-Christians. She says, "No one is to be excluded from the church or any aspect of its life by being Jew or Gentile, male or female, slave or free. The revisionists insist that homoerotic orientation (and, they mean, expression) is just as central to a person's identity and equally no bar to inclusion in the church." (emphasis mine) The next paragraph, she starts, "But what about Jesus' call to repentance?" She goes on to say that revisionists want to dismiss the sinfulness of homosexuality and proclaim it to be just another "Jew and Gentile," "slave and free" - "straight and gay," I presume.
One thing that truly frustrates me, especially as someone who can see a rational in both sides of the argument and wants to know Truth, is that prohibitionist Christians cannot come to this debate without first demanding the presuppositional claim that homosexuality, however defined, is sin, and everything then follows from that presupposition. Her comment about Jesus' calling people to repentance, as in the example of the woman caught in adultery, presumes that homosexuality is already sin and therefore cannot be accommodated in the church, period. How then, according to her, can there be any legitimacy in the calls by "revisionists" to allow homosexual people to be in relationship with any part of the Body of Christ. That would mean, according to the argument, that they are calling the Church to accept sin.
Robert A.J. Gagnon's does the same thing. He writes is book, The Bible and Homosexual Practice (the proclaimed pinnical of Evangelical scholarship on homosexuality, which scares me) with a stated presupposition that homosexuality is sin and cannot be accepted within the Church. He says his book is written in response to the poor emotionally and psychologically bent gay people he has come into contact with, but it is simply an attempt to justify his preconceived idea of what is correct regarding homosexuality.
Prohibitionists demand the conversation begin with homosexuality as sin, before any evidence is examined. Accommodationists demand the conversation begin with homosexuality not as sin, before any evidence is examined. All their justifications and condemnations then flow from their presuppositions.
Where are Christians who can put aside posturing and declaring God's Truth before the conversation even begins? Where are the Christians, who are supposed to be striving to know God's Truth, who will come to the question with a clear slate and say, "I will examine the evidence and draw my conclusions afterward."? Where are they? Jeremy Marks in England, and Evangelical ex-gay leader who has made an 180 degree shift in his thinking, and Bishop Alexander of Atlanta, and Episcopalian who was opposed to homosexuality and has changed his position, are two examples of people who where theologically opposed to homosexuality and have changed their opinions due to the mounting evidence against the Prohibitionist’s positions. I would give anything to find a scholarly book that revealed the process someone went through who came to this question with a neutral attitude, examined the evidences, and drew a conclusion - on either side. I haven't found one from an Evangelical perspective, and this is what so disappointed by about Gagnon's book.
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:21:40 -0400
From: Keucher, Jerry W.
Subject: RE: [HoB/D] "Normative"
Dan Martins writes with his accustomed elegance, "It isn't even so much about the words as about the 'music.' The scriptures 'sing' about the normative status of heterosexual marriage."
I agree. The real nub of the issue is whether "normative" here means "what usually happens," "what must happen" or "what shows forth most clearly the essence of the thing when it happens."
There's no doubt that heterosexual marriage is normative in the first sense. And I will grant (though I'll get potshots about this, I'm sure) that heterosexual marriage is normative in the third sense. The problem is that we're constantly saying that what's normative in the third sense must be normative in the second sense, that is, mandatory.
I think that a mutually fulfilling, lifelong, faithful heterosexual marriage that results in loved and productive members of the next generation is normal in the third sense. I submit that that's the sense Jesus is talking about when He says, "Therefore a man leaves his father and mother..."
The problem is that the Church goes on to say that since that's the kind of marriage that really shows forth what marriage is and what best shows forth God's relation to Creation and to the Church, that's what all marriages have to be like, and other kinds of behavior are not permitted.
That's the fallacy the Roman Church is officially in, even though marriages are "annulled" at a brisk clip by the marriage tribunals. Sex is normative in the second sense (that is, it is permitted) only if it occurs in circumstances that are normative in the third sense.
However, there are lots of straight marriages that are not normative in that sense. And the third sense is one that's very hard to police. A loveless, unhappy union that results in messed-up kids and lifelong misery for the couple is not quite what the Scriptures are singing about.
A series of legally and canonically sanctioned liaisons does not exactly capture the music of the image of God's covenant faithfulness to Israel. Such marriages would not have been permitted by the churches until very recently precisely because such serial monogamy was expressly forbidden by Jesus Himself.
However, when it comes to heterosexual sex, all the churches seem pretty much to have reached the conclusion that basically it's okay to have marriages that fall short of what is normative in the third sense. Permitting remarriage, whether following divorce or "annulment," overt or at least tacit acceptance of birth control (what else can you call it but tacit acceptance when an overwhelming percentage of RC couples use contraception?)--these things are accepted, perhaps reluctnatly, but nevertheless accepted. We recognize that there's a difference between normal (sense 3) and normal (sense 2).
In other words we have recognized, at least when it comes to straight people, that they are not perfect. Many, if not perhaps most, of their relationships may not fully embody every aspect of the Scripture's song. And if they mess up, they can have a second chance (at least). If they can't have children, or if they have so few that they have clearly had sex that was not intended to result in procreation, they are not forced to adopt in order to conform to the ideal. The third sense of what is normative is still appropriately held up as the goal at every wedding, even though the chances are very, very good that this particular expression will not be fully normative in that sense.
I was devastated when, at the age I was learning my letters, I also realized that I could never marry. As what we would now call a pre-schooler I knew that I couldn't. It would be a sham and unfair to whomever I married. It's very nice, I'm sure, when the song that you're innately inclined to sing is the same as Scripture's song, even if you'll probably sing a bit off-key in your personal rendition of it. It's not very nice when you realize that you are incapable of singing that tune. You must express the words in another meter and therefore another tune. (Not to press the poor metaphor to the wall, but the tunes, to my ear, are complementary, not dissonant. And I've done my best to sing it as well as I can.)
Here's the essence. Since we have realized that we should permit, even in the teeth of express Scriptural prohibitions, a distinction between what is normative in the third sense and what is normative in the second sense. We recognize that relationships that fail in significant and material ways to embody fully the ideal still embody important parts of it, and we permit them. So why not same-sex relationships?
The answer when we've reached this point is usually along the lines that the complementarity thing is so essential that it trumps every other aspect (life-longness, faithfulness, child-rearing, love). Well, that's just an assertion, not proof, and it really does seem to have more to do with the yuck factor than with Scripture's song. Dan, do you have anything else to offer on that point? And please excuse the length of this message.
There is a lot of chatter going on this week over the Senate debate concerning the FMA - Federal Marriage Amendment. The vote on the Senate floor for or against the measure should take place very soon.
Here is an update sent by the Don Wildmon's "OneMillionDads." They lost, but they are trying to spin this into some sort of victory, in the sense that this is a very long-term project. They are in this for the long haul.
And, despite all the rhetoric by some Senators as to why they voted against the FMA, the bottom line is this: A vote against the FMA is a vote for homosexual marriage. A vote for the FMA is a vote for traditional marriage.
According to the Religious Right, there cannot be an opinion that voting against this amendment is made honestly because a Senator does not believe that it belongs in the Constitution, rather than the Senator voting FOR homosexual marriage or against traditional marriage.
They have lost. But, anything can happen.
Here is an update concerning the Eames Commission and the tact the anti-homosexual groups are taking.
Focus on the Family's CitizenLink is eliciting responses from Christians concerning their feelings and experiences of family – of family defined by a marriage between one man and one woman and their children. They have posted on their website a sampling of the responses received thus far:
Be Sure to See Our Special "Why Marriage Matters" Report
A few weeks ago, we asked you to submit your thoughts about why marriage matters -- to society as a whole, and to you and your family. We received more than 500 responses -- some of them humorous, some of them heartbreaking, all of them heartfelt.
We've compiled the top 25 responses, and urge you to read them by clicking on the link below. We hope they each shed a little more light on why this God-created institution must be protected.
http://www.family.org/cforum/extras/a0032519.cfm
Of course marriage matters. For this group of people, gay-marriage demands the destruction of the institution of marriage. Their conclusion, seen in the proof of the testimonies given by people as posted above, is untenable because of the belief that anyone favoring gay-marriage does not believe that marriage in fact matters. The institution of marriage will collapse if gay people are allowed involvement in the institution, according to anti-gay prohibitionists.
I have not read all the 25 responses. From what I have read, the conclusions drawn by anti-gay-marriage people do not necessitate exclusive male-female relationships. As more and more gay couples become visible and as more and more rational, stable, and mature children are raised in these relationships, people will see that the claims made by Focus on the Family and the anti-gay-marriage forces are not true. There may very well be differences, but even if there are differences, they cannot be known at this point. Will there be dysfunctional children raised in dysfunctional gay-relationships? Yes, of course. Does that then mean gay-relationships are always wrong and destructive to children and the men/women involved? No more then the relationships of dysfunctional straight-families producing dysfunctional children means heterosexual marriages are always wrong and destructive.
The lines of argument being used by anti-gay-marriage forces are simple untenable when seen in the light of reality – reality as determined by God as revealed in Scripture and humankind.
Focus on the Family's Mike Haley has written a new book on homosexuality: '101 Frequently Asked Questions About Homosexuality.'
There is a question posed to Haley by the interviewer Trish Amason, assistant editor of Citizen Link.
Q: There are so many ways that the church has tried to respond to the homosexual. From total acceptance of their lifestyle, to complete judgment. Why do you think the church has such a tough time responding to homosexuality from a right perspective?
A: The two things that constantly need to be kept in balance in dealing with homosexuality are truth and grace.
What I mean by that is, if you get a church that is extreme in truth then what they are going to do is they are going to become a legalistic church, they are going to forget the grace component of it. But if you get a church that is so geared and off base when it comes to grace, they get sloppy and they get permissive in that grace.
But when you balance grace and truth and you remember that homosexuality is indeed against God's original intent, it's sin, but you balance grace with that -- that Jesus died on the cross as much for that person who struggles with homosexuality as He did for whatever your sin is -- if we balance those two, then I think the church will stay very solid.
I agree with this statement, to a degree! I take issue with his position against homosexuality because it is against God's original intent. Is it? Yes, but so is heterosexuality against God's original intent as we experience it in this fallen world. We will never be holy as God is holy. That is what grace is all about - despite the fact that we will never be as God intended, we are still brought into relationship with God through Jesus Christ. We live in a fallen world where we have to understand that life lived will never be as God intends, so what then?
There is open argument for the first time in the history of the Church concerning God's intent in this fallen world (not God's original intent!, which is impossible) for homosexuals - in the same why the Church dealt with wrong beliefs with regards to the flat earth, the sub-humanness and curse of black people, slavery, women, and numerous examples of wrong doctrine and theology. My belief is that scripture, rightly divided, cannot support the traditional attitudes concerning homosexuals living in monogamous, consensual, life-long relationships by those who are constitutionally homosexual. Likewise, ex-gay theory and practice do not work in changing homosexual people into heterosexuals. Ex-gay ministries may help people control themselves sexually and with regard to substance abuse, but God is not changing people into heterosexuals. I know this from person experience and from the experiences of many, many people I know - let alone the enormous number of examples all over the world.
Haley's position on the right balance between truth and grace is consistent with the Church "loving the sinner, hating the sin." This is predicated on the belief that all homosexual conduct is sin. I disagree. The question is now open as to whether all forms of homosexual conduct are actually sin - from scripture and not simply from a capitulation to prevailing culture (which I find a silly accusation against accomodationists, like some in the Episcopal Church, due to the fact that most of the culture is still hostile towards homosexuals).
Sexual sin is the same for heterosexuals as it is for homosexuals, but all homosexual conduct is not sin, at least according to what can be gleaned from scripture. What is clear is that rape is wrong, pedophilia or pederasty is wrong, prostitution is wrong, promiscuity is wrong, incest is wrong, etc. - but for BOTH heterosexuals and homosexuals!
Here is where grace and truth exist in a world that is not and cannot be as God intended. Legalistic righteousness cannot lead to a good Christian life and relationship with God. That is what the Law of Moses showed us, and what Jesus and Paul taught us. Nor is promiscuous grace justifiable, because God does set standards - love God with all our heart (which translates into living in God's will for us regardless for our own uninformed desires and limited understanding) and love our neighbor as ourselves. We don't do either very well - it is easier to try to live by a law.
There are those churches that focus too much on grace. I know of one particular church with a large contingent of gay people. On a whole, the people are good and faithful, but there is an attitude of permissiveness that exists which translates into people who do not look much different in their attitudes and practices from non-Christians. I don't think this is justifiable, although I understand their position. The ethos of the place is that we are all on a journey towards becoming the people God intends us to be. This is true. They would say that their job is not to tell people what to do or not to do, but to encourage them to grow as they feel God is calling them to grow. I can agree with this also, but it is evident in the world that if there is no standard lifted up unto which we strive, then there will be no standard at all.
I also know of a church that focuses far too much on "truth." Of course, it is only a "truth" that they claim they know, and they know because they are faithful people desiring God's will to be done in their lives. They have developed into a very legalistic church as they strive to be perfect and completely faithful Christians, or "holy" as God is holy. They live a life of a Pharisee. With respect to gay people, this leads them to advocate complete denigration of gay people, and some even advocate capital punishment for gay people, since that is what the Levitical Code demands.
Neither of the above examples are in good balance regarding grace and truth. I agree with Haley that there must be balance, but he errs on the side of “truth” (which in American is expressed in fundamentalistic legalism). It is a balance, but I will err on the side of grace every time.
Here is a link to the entire interview: http://www.family.org/cforum/feature/a0032148.cfm
This from CitizenLink Update from Focus on the Family.
“***In Congress, yesterday, Rep. Marilyn Musgrave, R-Colo., testified about the need for a constitutional amendment to protect marriage.
"Gays are not excluded from the benefits of marriage by others," Musgrave said, "they are excluded by their own choices. Marriage is and -- for the entire history of mankind -- has always been, a relationship between persons of the opposite sex, and the primary function of marriage has always been to provide a legal context for procreation and child rearing by fathers and mothers."
Can we say, "Blame the victim?" I do not accept the "victim" label, but Musgrave has simply gone too far. We do not enjoy the commonly held benefits of marriage because we choose not to. Never mind the examples of men and women marrying an opposite gender spouse due to social or religious pressure when they know the marriage is a sham. Never mind the pain and confusion straight spouses goes through because they cannot understand the lack of passion, or the depression, or the distance of their spouses who hide or attempt to deny the fact that they are gay. Never mind the broken families that result from when spouses hiding their homosexuality simply cannot go on with the charade any longer, often because of the love and respect they have for their straight spouses. Never mind the tremendous guilt gay spouses endure when they know they cannot love their wives or husbands in the way they desire and deserve. Never mind the gay spouses profound disappointed and disillusionment when the promise of the ex-gay movement and the Religious Right that God will turn them into heterosexuals if they just make the right steps in faith so that God will honor their faith and make them into heterosexuals. Never mind all that, because now they can enjoy the benefits of marriage just like the heterosexuals! Being a homosexual is not a choice. Engaging in sex is, but simply engaging in heterosexual sex does not make anyone a heterosexual, and visa-versa.
I am so disappointed to hear Musgrave make such an idiotic statement, such an ignorant statement, such a calloused statement. Regardless of whether you agree with gay people’s longing to be married or not, to say homosexuals can enjoy all the benefits of marriage simply with a choice to act like a heterosexual without regard to the feelings and wellbeing of their supposed marriage partner is irresponsible! For gay people to heed her call to take straight men or women as their spouses would only add another nail in the already fragile state of good marriages. If you want to save the institution of marriage, do not demand that gay people marry straight people so that they can enjoy the benefits of life-long, monogamous, and mutually loving relationships with all the civil benefits accorded straight people.
Here is a recent article in Focus on the Families CitizenUpdate. I demand that all those heterosexuals be forbidden from taking care of foster children. With close to 1,000,000 poor, innocent children being abused and neglected by heterosexuals, well they simply don't deserve to care for the most defenseless element of our society. For the safety of our children, stop the heterosexuals! Of course I am not series, but if we apply the same rational used by many anti-homosexual activists to those whom this story identifies (heterosexuals), then to be consistent we should demand heterosexuals not be allowed to care for foster children - even if for only potential abuse.
Here is the article (click the link below):
Child Welfare Programs Failing
by Keith Peters, Washington, D.C., correspondent
SUMMARY: Statistics show 900,000 children were abuse or
neglect victims over the last three years.
The Bush administration has released a report card on
child welfare programs across the country and, according
to the Department of Health and Human Services, every
state fails the test.
Reviews of state child welfare programs conducted over the
last three years show significant problems that could mean
millions of dollars in penalties for states. According to
the latest figures available, 900,000 children were abuse
or neglect victims -- 1,400 of whom died.
Dr. Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and
families at the U.S. Department of Health and Human
Services, said his department has adopted several goals in
an effort to reform the child welfare system.
"(Our mission is) prevention of child abuse and also to
adequately investigate claims of child abuse and make sure
that the foster care system is functioning well in
ensuring the safety and well-being and permanence of
children in their care,"
Gagnon responds to Rodger's speech. You can read his responce on his website here, or click below for the text.
Bad Reasons for Changing One’s Mind
Jack Rogers’s Temple Prostitution Argument and Other False Starts
Robert A. J. Gagnon, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of New Testament
Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2596
rgagnon@pts.edu, www.robgagnon.net
March 1, 2004
The Covenant Network has proudly posted on its website a piece by the controversial former moderator Jack Rogers, entitled “How I Changed My Mind on Homosexuality” (an address given to the Covenant Network Northwest Regional Conference on Oct. 11, 2003; go here). The fact that the Covenant Network is so enamored with it—posting the full 6000-word address, along with a color photo of Rogers and side captions—says something about what passes there for profound reflection on Scripture.
Rogers has been saying for a long time that his intensive study of Scripture led him to embrace committed homosexual unions. He repeats the point in this latest address: “I had often said that I could not change my negative attitude toward homosexuality unless I was convinced by Scripture.” Now at long last Rogers reveals what precisely in Scripture caused him to change his mind. Here it is.
In the summer of 1992 Rogers visited Greece and Turkey. At Corinth he looked upward from the place where Paul was tried. Rogers saw
the AcroCorinth, a mountain on which was a temple to Aphrodite, a bisexual god/goddess. In ancient time, it was staffed by seven thousand prostitutes, male and female. . . . That experience in Corinth became a significant occasion for reflection on the meaning of the Bible. I began to study Romans 1 and 2 afresh. . . .
[Paul] wrote Romans from Corinth. I think he was remembering the AcroCorinth and saying: “That is the worst example of idolatry I have ever seen.” I would agree. Paul’s point is not about homosexuality, but idolatry, worshipping false gods.
Paul is talking about idolatrous people engaged in prostitution. It is hardly fair to apply his judgment on them to Christian gay and lesbian people who are not idolaters and no more lustful than anyone else. (emphases added)
So Rogers had an epiphany of sorts from his experience at Corinth: In Romans 1:24-27 (and, presumably, 1 Cor 6:9; cf. 1 Tim 1:10) Paul was not condemning homosexual practice per se but merely a type of homosexual practice associated with temple idolatry. Rogers advances no other argument to support this theory. That’s all he has.
We will begin with a discussion of why Rogers’s temple-prostitution theory is unworkable (part I). After this, we will demonstrate how Rogers misunderstands the broader literary context for Paul’s remarks in Romans 1:18-32 (part II). Then we will treat Rogers’s continued distortion of the nature argument as a simple failure to understand the principle “both Scripture first and nature” (part III). Finally, we will deal with the rest of Rogers’s justifications for endorsing homosexual practice, focusing particularly on his past and present misunderstandings regarding the significance of fidelity and longevity in a minority of homosexual unions. We will show that Rogers still does not grasp Scripture’s real reason for proscribing homosexual practice (part IV).
I. Fifteen Reasons Why the Temple Prostitution Theory Is a Bad Idea
I know of no serious biblical scholar, even prohomosex biblical scholar, who argues that Paul had in mind only or primarily temple prostitution—not Nissinen, not Brooten, not Fredrickson, not Schoedel, not Bird, not Martin, etc. There are many reasons why this view has not found a welcome in serious biblical scholarship. I shall limit myself to fifteen such reasons, without making a pretense that the list is exhaustive.
1. Rogers’s historical anachronism regarding temple prostitution in Corinth. Rogers’s trip to Corinth convinced him that Paul’s views on homosexual behavior were profoundly influenced by the alleged existence of “seven thousand prostitutes, male and female” at the temple of Aphrodite in Corinth in Paul’s day. As it happens, the only ancient account that refers to cult prostitutes at the temple of Aphrodite in Corinth is a brief mention by Strabo in Geography 8.6.20c:
And the temple of Aphrodite was so rich that it owned more than a thousand temple-slaves, prostitutes, whom both men and women had dedicated to the goddess. And therefore it was on account of these women that the city was crowded with people and grew rich. (Text and commentary in: Jerome Murphy-O’Connor, St. Paul’s Corinth: Texts and Archaeology [GNS 6; Wilmington: M. Glazier, 1983], 55-57)
Any critical New Testament scholar knows that Strabo’s comments (1) applied only to Greek Corinth in existence several centuries before the time of Paul, not the Roman Corinth of Paul’s day; (2) referred to “more than a thousand prostitutes,” not seven thousand; and (3) mentioned only female (heterosexual) prostitutes, not male (homosexual) prostitutes. Scholars agree that there was no massive business of female cult prostitutes—to say nothing of male homosexual cult prostitutes—operating out of the temple of Aphrodite in Paul’s day; and that there may not have been such a business even in earlier times (i.e., Strabo was confused). This is not particularly new information, which makes it all the more surprising that Rogers was taken in, apparently, by an ill-informed tour guide. For example, Hans Conzelmann made the following remarks in his major commentary on 1 Corinthians written some thirty years ago:
Incidentally, the often-peddled statement that Corinth was a seat of sacred prostitution (in the service of Aphrodite) is a fable. This realization also disposes of the inference that behind the Aphrodite of Corinth lurks the Phoenician Astarte. [Note 97:] The fable is based on Strabo, Geog. 8.378. . . . Strabo, however, is not speaking of the present, but of the city’s ancient golden period. . . . Incidentally, Strabo’s assertion is not even true of the ancient Corinth. (1 Corinthians [Hermeneia; Minneapolis: Fortress, 1975 [German original, 1969], 12)
This continues to be the view held by scholars. As Bruce Winter notes in a recent significant work on 1 Corinthians,
Strabo’s comments about 1,000 religious prostitutes of Aphrodite . . . are unmistakably about Greek and not Roman Corinth. As temple prostitution was not a Greek phenomenon, the veracity of his comments on this point have been rightly questioned. The size of the Roman temple of Aphrodite on the Acrocorinth ruled out such temple prostitution; and by that time she had become Venus—the venerated mother of the imperial family and the highly respected patroness of Corinth—and was no longer a sex symbol (After Paul Left Corinth: The Influence of Secular Ethics and Social Change [Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2001], 87-88; similarly, Murphy-O’Connor, St. Paul’s Corinth, 55-56)
The scholarly consensus that there was no homosexual prostitution at the Corinthian temple of Aphrodite in Paul’s day is enough, all by itself, to dispense with Rogers’s theory and show Rogers’s unreliability as an exegete of the biblical text. But we continue anyway.
2. The plain-sense meaning of Romans 1:24-27. There is nothing in the language of Romans 1:24-27 that keys into the issue of prostitution or indeed the issue of exploitation generally. What Paul expressed as the problem was not the particularly exploitative way in which some homoerotic relationships were conducted in the ancient world but rather same-sex intercourse per se: females exchanging sexual intercourse with males for sexual intercourse with females, and males likewise having sex with males.
3. The mention of lesbian intercourse in Romans 1:26. The fact that Paul mentions lesbian intercourse in Romans 1:26—which in the ancient world did not take the form of temple prostitution—proves that Paul did not have in view only forms of same-sex intercourse associated with idol worship or commercial transactions.
4. Mutual gratification and mutual condemnation in Romans 1:24-27. If Paul were condemning only exploitative forms of male-male intercourse, he would hardly have indicted in Romans 1:24-27 both partners in the sexual relationship. Yet he does condemn both partners—“males engaging in indecency with males, receiving back in themselves the recompense which was required of their straying.” This is consistent with the fact that he regards the activity as mutual and consenting: dishonoring “their bodies among themselves” and being “inflamed with their yearning for one another.” Far from painting a picture where one party is being degraded and exploited by the other, Paul portrays both partners as seeking to gratify their urges with one another and together reaping the divine recompense for their mutually degrading conduct.
5. The Genesis connection. That Paul had the other-sex prerequisite in Genesis in view is obvious from the clear intertextual echoes to Genesis 1:26-27 found in Romans 1:23-27—eight terms of agreement between the two sets of texts, in nearly the same order. It is no accident, too, that the other major Pauline text dealing with same-sex intercourse, 1 Corinthians 6:9, is cited in close proximity to Gen 2:24 (1 Cor 6:16). And it is also no accident that these are the two key creation texts lifted up by Jesus in Mark 10:6-8 as prescriptive norms for defining all human sexual behavior: “male and female he made them” (Gen 1:27) and “For this reason a man will . . . be joined to his woman (wife) and the two shall become one flesh” (Gen 2:24). The story in Genesis 2:18-24 clearly images marriage as the sexually intimate “re-merger” of the constituent parts, man and woman, split from an originally undifferentiated sexual whole. Same-sex erotic unions are structurally precluded from reconstituting a one-flesh merger because the male and female elements cannot be reconstituted from a male-male or female-female union. Since the only differentiation created by the splitting is the differentiation into the two sexes, the presence of the two sexes is indispensable to a valid sexual rejoining. There is no realistic possibility that Jesus, in citing Gen 1:27 and 2:24 as prescriptive norms, missed this other-sex prerequisite—“male and female,” “man and woman”—so clearly embedded in these verses and their surrounding narrative and so staunchly embraced by Jews everywhere in Jesus’ day. (Many other arguments could also be made for adducing Jesus anti-homosex stance; see ch. 3 [pp. 185-228] of The Bible and Homosexual Practice or pp. 68-74 of Homosexuality and the Bible). And the fact that Paul had the Genesis creation accounts in view when he indicted homosexual practice proves that he recognized their implication for abrogating all forms of same-sex intercourse (The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 289-93).
6. The parallel between idolatry as an act against creation and same-sex intercourse as an act against nature. Rogers belittles the notion of a parallel between idolatry and same-sex intercourse. Yet the context makes the parallel obvious (see The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 266-69). Paul emphasizes in Romans 1:18-32 that human beings are “without excuse”—even unbelievers who do not know Scripture—because God’s will is evident to them in creation/nature. Exhibit A (on the vertical level) is idolatry and exhibit B (on the horizontal level) is same-sex intercourse. Both alike represent attempts at suppressing the truth about God in creation or nature, transparent to human minds and even visible to human sight. Both acts are spoken of as “exchanges” of clear natural revelation for gratification of distorted desires (1:23, 25 and 1:26 respectively). Both acts are depicted as absurd—foolish or self-dishonoring—denials of natural revelation. The parallel—and not merely consequential—relationship between idolatry and same-sex intercourse is confirmed in Testament of Naphtali 3:3-4, where both idolatry and same-sex intercourse are viewed as exchanging the order of nature:
Gentiles . . . altered the order of them [viz., either that of the sun, moon, and stars, cited in v. 2, or their own], and have followed after stones and pieces of wood by following after wandering spirits. But you should not act in that way, my children, recognizing [instead] in the firmament, in the earth and in the sea and in all the products of workmanship, the Lord who made all these things, in order that you may not become like Sodom, which exchanged the order of its nature.
For further discussion of this text, see: The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 88-89n.121, 258n.18; and Homosexuality and the Bible, online note 35.
In short, the parallel between idolatry and same-sex intercourse in Rom 1:18-27 is evident: Those who had suppressed the truth about God visible in creation were more apt to suppress the truth about their sexual bodies visible in nature.
7. The other vices in Romans 1:29-31 not dependent on idolatry. Yes, Paul sees idolatry as leading to an increase in same-sex intercourse as well as to an increase in the other vices cited in Rom 1:29-31. But to say that Paul was limiting the indictment in Rom 1:24-27 only to homosexual cult prostitution is like saying that the continuation of the vice list in Rom 1:29-31 had only idolatrous contexts in view. Obviously, persons who reject the clear revelation of a transcendent God in creation are going to be more likely to engage in forms of sexual behavior that suppress the truth about human sexual complementarity accessible in nature. Equally obvious, however, is the fact that Paul recognized that it was not necessary to worship idols to commit any of the immoral behaviors cited in Rom 1:24-31.
8. Sexual uncleanness in Romans 6:19. Later in Romans 6:19 Paul warns believers not to return to the kind of “sexual uncleanness”—akatharsia, the same Greek term employed in 1:24 of same-sex intercourse and other sexual offenses—that characterized their lives as unbelievers. He certainly was no more restricting the use of the term to sex in the context of temple prostitutes than he was restricting any of the other instances of “lawlessness” to activity conducted in the context of idolatrous worship.
9. The distinction between idolatry and male-male intercourse in 1 Corinthians 6:9. To say that Paul was limiting the indictment of male-male intercourse in 1 Cor 6:9 to homosexual cult prostitution is like saying that Paul was only opposed to incest (the case under discussion in chs. 5-6) in idolatrous and commercial contexts. In fact, “idolaters” are listed as a separate category of offenders, distinct from those who commit incest, prostitution, fornication, adultery, and male-male intercourse. The case of the incestuous man in ch. 5 involves a self-professed Christian with no linkage to idol worshipping or to prostitution. And the discussion of prostitution in 6:12-20 certainly is not tied only to temple prostitution. The reasons for the proscription of incest and same-sex intercourse are similar: sex with someone who is too much of a same, whether a familial same (incest: sex with the “flesh of one’s flesh,” Lev 18:6) or a sexual same (homosexual behavior: males who have sex with males).
10. The expression “contrary to nature” as applied to same-sex intercourse. In all the critiques of same-sex intercourse as “contrary to nature” that can be found in the ancient world, not a single one ever refers to the idolatrous or commercial dimension of same-sex intercourse. For example, the physician Soranus described the desire on the part of “soft men” to be penetrated (cf. 1 Cor 6:9) as “not from nature,” insofar as it “subjugated to obscene uses parts not so intended” and disregarded “the places of our body which divine providence destined for definite functions”(Chronic Diseases 4.9.131). Moreover, numerous cases of same-sex erotic relationships involving neither prostitution nor cultic activity can be documented for the Hellenistic and Roman Imperial periods.
11. Early Jewish critiques of same-sex intercourse. When one reads the critique in early Judaism of homoerotic practice—especially in Philo and Josephus—one notices rather quickly that the remarks focus on the compromise of sexual identity, not issues such as exchange of money or idolatrous connections. The same holds for rabbinic literature. See The Bible and Homosexual Practice, ch. 2.
12. The link between “men who lie with males” in 1 Cor 6:9 and the absolute prohibitions in Leviticus. The term arsenokoitai in 1 Cor 6:9, a distinctly Jewish and Christian term—literally, “men who lie with males”—is derived from the absolute prohibitions of male-male intercourse in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 (Septuagint: koite = “lying [with],” arsen = “a male”). That these prohibitions have to do, first and foremost, with sexual intercourse and not with idolatry is evident from their sandwiching in the midst of the sex laws in Lev 20:10-21, separate and distinct from the regulation against sacrificing to Molech in 20:2-5. They are no more tied to idolatry or prostitution than are the laws against adultery, incest, and bestiality that surround them. Neither Second Temple Judaism nor rabbinic Judaism (nor Patristic Christianity) restricted the relevance of the Levitical prohibitions to male-male intercourse conducted in the context of idol worship or prostitution.
13. The main objection to the homosexual cult prostitutes in the Old Testament. The Old Testament—particularly Deuteronomy and the “Deuteronomistic History” (Joshua through 2 Kings)—does condemn “homosexual cult prostitutes” (the so-called qedeshim, “consecrated ones”). But even here, parallel figures in the ancient Near East—the assinnu, kurgarru, and kulu’u—were held in low regard not so much for their prostitution as for their compromise of masculine gender in allowing themselves to be penetrated as though women (The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 48-49). Even Phyllis Bird, a prohomosex Old Testament scholar who has done as much work as anyone on the qedeshim, acknowledges that the writers of Scripture emphasized not the cultic prostitution of these figures but rather their “repugnant associations with male homosexual activity.” On the qedeshim, see The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 100-110.
14. The meaning of “soft men” in its historical context. The term malakoi in 1 Cor 6:9—literally, “soft men”—was often used in the Greco-Roman world as a description of adult males who feminized their appearances in the hopes of attracting a male partner. Jewish and even some pagan moralists condemned them, not for their role in temple prostitution—most were not temple prostitutes—but for their attempted erasure of the masculine stamp given them in nature. See further The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 306-12; and Homosexuality and the Bible, 82-83 with online notes 96-98.
15. A Corinthian critique of male-male love. The pseudo-Lucianic text Affairs of the Heart records a debate between Charicles, a Corinthian, who defends the superiority of male love for women, and Callicratidas, who defends the superiority of male love for males. Interestingly, the Corinthian never focuses on the association of male-male love with temple prostitution. Instead, he notes that men who engage in sex with other males “transgress the laws of nature” by looking “with the eyes at the male as (though) at a female,” “one nature [coming] together in one bed.” “Seeing themselves in one another they were ashamed neither of what they were doing nor of what they were having done to them” (cited in The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 165-66 n. 10). What does this critique have to do with temple prostitution? Absolutely nothing. Yet Rogers would have us believe that Paul’s view of same-sex intercourse, and that of Scripture generally—which every historical piece of evidence indicates was more absolutely, consistently, and strongly opposed to same-sex intercourse than anything found in the Greco-Roman world—was actually more accepting of homosexual behavior than the cultural milieu out of which emerged.
Rogers claims that when he learned to read the anti-homosex texts in Scripture in their historical and literary context he discovered that they didn’t condemn homoerotic activity per se. But the truth is that Rogers doesn’t know the historical and literary context well. What he thinks he knows—his allegation about rampant temple prostitution at Corinth in Paul’s day—he in fact does not know. Since Rogers bases the major part of his argument on the premise that the biblical texts had only homosexual cult prostitution in view, the end result of our analysis above is that Rogers has no scriptural case for affirming committed homosexual unions.
The worst part of all is that Rogers could have deduced all these reasons for why the temple prostitution argument is untenable from a careful reading of The Bible and Homosexual Practice. The idolatry, cult prostitution, and exploitation arguments are treated at several points in the book (e.g., pp. 100-110, 129-32, 284-89, 347-61). Unless Rogers can refute all fifteen arguments given above—an obvious impossibility—he should admit to readers that either he has not read my book for comprehension or he has chosen to ignore the insurmountable problems with his position. The matter is deeply troubling, whether the problem lies with gross incomprehension of clear and repeated discussion in my book or a deliberate cover-up of the aforementioned material for a credulous audience.
II. On Rogers’s Misunderstanding of Romans 1-3
This epiphany that Rogers experienced regarding temple prostitution at Corinth made him “realize” that Paul was opposed to anyone, anytime, passing judgment on the behavior recorded in Rom 1:18-32 (idolatry, same-sex intercourse, murder, deceit, covetousness, etc.). At least this is how Rogers interprets Rom 2:1: “Therefore, you are without excuse, O human, everyone who judges, for in what you judge another you are condemning yourself, for you who judges does the same things.” He “buttresses” this conclusion with an appeal to Rom 3:23-24: “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift, by his grace, through the redemption in Christ Jesus.” According to Rogers, to use Rom 1:24-27 as a basis for condemning homosexual practice is “to turn Romans 1 into a law” and “to misrepresent Paul’s point. It turns the Protestant Reformation upside down.”
1. Reading beyond Romans 1-3 to Romans 6:1-8:17. Needless to say, Rogers’s conclusion would have been news to Paul, as well as to the great Reformers. Like many who share his view of homosexual behavior, Rogers fails to do the simple task of reading beyond Romans 3 to Romans 6:1-8:17. When Paul asks in ch. 6 the rhetorical question, “Should we sin because we are not under the law but under grace?” he answers by insisting that genuine adherence to the lordship of Jesus Christ leads us out of a life under the control of the sinful impulse (6:15-23; 7:5-6; 8:1-17; cf. 6:1-14). Thus Paul can assert:
Just as you [formerly, as unbelievers] presented your bodily members as slaves to sexual uncleanness (akatharsia) and to [other acts of] lawlessness with a view to lawlessness, so now [as believers] present your bodily members as slaves to righteousness with a view to holiness. For when you were slaves of sin, you were free with respect to [not doing] righteousness. What fruit, therefore, were you having at that time? Things of which you are now ashamed, for the end (outcome) of those things is death. (Romans 6:19-21)
Interestingly, same-sex intercourse in Rom 1:24-27 is cited as the prime example of “sexual uncleanness” (akatharsia)—the very word used in Rom 6:19 to denote the behavior that Christians must now leave behind (note that the term appears nowhere else in Romans). The mention of shameful practices that lead to death in Rom 6:19-21 also clearly echoes the themes of Rom 1:24-27, 32. Obviously, then, the point of the Christian life is to discontinue the shameful practices of 1:19-31, including females having intercourse with females and males having intercourse with males. If the wrath of God manifested in this age involves, in part, God permitting people to engage in such self-dishonoring, shameful behavior, with death resulting, then the saving righteousness of God must mean not merely forgiveness of sins but empowerment, through the Spirit, to be delivered from the primary control of such shameful impulses.
Accordingly, “sin shall not be lord over you, for you are not under the law but under grace” (6:14). To be “under the law” is to be dominated by sinful passions that “bear fruit for death” (7:5). To be “under grace” is to be Spirit-controlled and thus bearing fruit for life (7:6). It is life lived in “the law of the Spirit of life”—that is, life lived under the primary regulating power of indwelling Spirit—that effects liberation from “the law of sin and death.” Paul means by “the law of sin and death” the internal regulating power of sin operating in human flesh, which brings death to those who obey it (8:1-2). Life lived in conformity to the Spirit “fulfills the righteous requirement of the law” (8:4) rather than violates or ignores the law.
For Paul, the transformed life, while not meriting salvation, is the indispensable middle term between Christ’s justifying death and the gift of eternal life. Self-professed Christians who continue to live life under sin’s primary sway will perish. Thus the conclusion to the question, “Should we sin because we are not under the law but under grace?”—that is, should we sin because there are, allegedly, no apocalyptic repercussions for sinning—is as follows:
So, then, brethren, we are debtors not to the flesh, that is, to live in conformity with the flesh. For if you live in conformity to the flesh, you are going to die. But if, by the Spirit, you put to death the deeds of the flesh, you will live. For as many as are being led by the Spirit of God—these are the children of God. (8:12-14)
In other words, a profession of faith void of a transformed life is worthless and will not save a person from divine wrath. Calvin put it well when, in commenting on Rom 8:9, he wrote:
Those in whom the Spirit does not reign do not belong to Christ; therefore those who serve the flesh are not Christians, for those who separate Christ from His Spirit make Him like a dead image or a corpse. . . . Free remission of sins cannot be separated from the Spirit of regeneration. This would be, as it were, to rend Christ asunder. (The Epistles of Paul the Apostle to the Romans and to the Thessalonians [trans. R. MacKenzie; Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1961], 164)
Similarly, commenting on Rom 6:19, Calvin contends that Christians should be “no less eager and ready in performing the commandments of God” than they were eager, as unbelievers, to engage in sinful conduct (ibid., 134; emphasis mine, noting the importance of obedience to God’s commandments for a faithful Christian life).
2. The gospel mandate to abstain from various sexual practices. Thus it is ludicrous to contend, as Rogers does, that it would “misrepresent Paul” and “turn the Protestant Reformation upside down” if the church condemned “the sexual expression of one group of people.” (Imagine the consequences of following the same line of reasoning for persons who experience exclusive sexual attraction for children!) Even in Paul’s day, (1) not everyone engaged in same-sex intercourse, much less homosexual cult prostitution; and (2) there were widespread theories that attributed one or more forms of homosexual practice to some degree of congenital influence for some people (see The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 380-94 passim; and now “Does the Bible Regard Same-Sex Intercourse as Intrinsically Sinful?” in Christian Sexuality [ed. R. Saltzman; Kirk House, 2003], 106-55, particularly pp. 141-46). Neither of these points dissuaded Paul from singling out same-sex intercourse as a prime example, among inter-human sins, of human suppression of the truth about God’s creation evident in nature. Nor did these points prevent Paul from exhorting believers not to return to the unclean sexual practices of their former life, whether same-sex intercourse or some other “lawless” act influenced by biological predispositions.
Indeed, the same point is made in 1 Cor 6:9-20, where Paul exhorts the Corinthian believers not to return to the sexual immorality of their former life, which could include adult consensual incest, male-male intercourse, adultery, fornication, and sex with prostitutes. “These things some of you were; but you washed yourselves off, you were made holy, you were made righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God” (6:11). The basis for his appeal is that sex, unlike dietary concerns, is not a matter of soteriological indifference (6:12-20; contra Rogers and others who have appealed to the inclusion of Gentile believers in Acts 15 as a parallel). What one does sexually can get one thrown into hell (compare Jesus’ saying about cutting off body parts in Matt 5:29-30). Precisely because Christ has purchased us out of slavery to sin, we belong to God, not ourselves, and so should “glorify God in [our] bodies” (6:19-20). In the immediate context it is obvious that Paul was not against the church passing judgment on believers who engage in sinful sexual behavior, even behavior of an adult, consensual, and committed sort. In the case of the incestuous believer in 1 Corinthians 5, a somewhat exasperated Paul asked the Corinthians: “Is it not those inside [the church] that you are to judge?” (5:12). By Rogers’s reckoning, the Corinthian believers should have responded: “No. You are turning grace into law!” But that is the wrong answer to this obviously rhetorical question.
Paul does indeed set up a sting operation in Romans 2 against moral persons—in context, primarily unbelieving Jews—who condemn those who engage in the sinful activities of Rom 1:18-32 while committing sins of their own. But Paul does so not to trivialize the moral life but rather to underscore the universal human need for putting one’s trust in Jesus’ atoning death and empowering presence. (Note that the Covenant Network wrongly treats the atoning, or amends-making, function of Jesus’ death as a non-essential doctrine of Christian faith.) God’s wrath is still coming on those who live under sin’s primary rule, which for Paul meant all unbelievers and some self-professed believers in Christ. Jesus’ amends-making death makes possible the indwelling of Christ’s Spirit for those who believe, which in turn makes possible a Spirit-led life, with an outcome of eternal life. A return to the sin-led life of old puts at risk one’s inheritance in the kingdom of God, whether one claims to be a believer or not. This includes a return to the practice of same-sex intercourse.
In short, the fact that all persons have sinned is no license to continue in sin. The point of our “baptism into Christ’s death” is that we should now, “as if alive from the dead,” put our bodily members at God’s, not sin’s, disposal (Rom 6:3-14). The difference between our lives before faith and our lives in faith is not that we now get to live sinful lives without fear of apocalyptic repercussions, but rather that we are now empowered by the indwelling Spirit of Christ to live lives that do not lead to death.
I had already treated the relationship of the argument in Romans 1:18-32 to the rest of Romans in The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 277-84. That I have to restate it here for Rogers is just one more example that Rogers has not read my book for comprehension. Worse still, it is regrettable that this basic point of Christian teaching regarding the new creation in Christ and the necessity of a transformed life has to be made clear to a former moderator of the PCUSA and professor emeritus of theology. As I have said many times, the global theological arguments used to support or minimize homosexual behavior are just as harmful, and perhaps more so, than the support of homosexual behavior.
III. Rogers’s Distortion of the Nature Argument—Once Again
In his address Rogers goes on to attack my work by repeating a blatant misrepresentation that he had made two years earlier in a national Covenant Network address (2001). “The irony is that for Gagnon, you really don’t need the Bible, because everything it says about homosexuality comes, not from revelation, but from his understanding of natural law.” I have already clearly shown this to be a gross distortion of what I wrote in The Bible and Homosexual Practice. See “Robert Gagnon on Jack Rogers’s Comments: Misrepresenting the Nature Argument,” pdf and html.
Rogers willfully distorts my “both-and” argument regarding Scripture and nature into an “either-or.” He alleges that my argument actually ignores the special revelation of Scripture or regards it as irrelevant. Given that my 500-page book is mostly about Scripture’s case against same-sex intercourse, such an allegation is absurd.
1. Taking my remarks out of context. Rogers takes a few statements in my book out of context and mischaracterizes their contextual sense—evidently the same procedure that he employs when he reads the biblical witness against homosexual practice (see I. above).
For example, he quotes the following line from my conclusion:
Acceptance of biblical revelation is thus not a prerequisite for rejecting the legitimacy of same-sex intercourse. (p. 488)
What he conveniently neglects to cite is the very next line:
However, for those who do attribute special inspired status to Scripture at any level, there is even less warrant to affirm same-sex intercourse.
In other words, for those who either do not know, or (like Rogers) refuse to accept, special biblical revelation, there is adequate reason in the natural realm for not approving of same-sex intercourse. And both the sentence that Rogers cites and the one he does not are part of the second of four reasons why I contend that same-sex intercourse is contrary to God’s intention for human sexual relations. The first and primary reason that I cite is:
Same-sex intercourse is strongly and unequivocally rejected by the revelation of Scripture. (p. 487)
I make a similar point at the conclusion to ch. 4, “The Witness of Paul”:
To be sure, Paul and other Jews derived their own opposition to same-sex intercourse, first and foremost, from the creation stories in Genesis 1-2 and the Levitical prohibitions, both which have intertextual echoes in Rom 1:18-32. Yet, Paul contended, even gentiles without access to the direct revelation of Scripture have enough evidence in the natural realm to discern God’s aversion to homosexual behavior. (p. 337; emphasis added)
How could this point be any clearer? The direct revelation of Scripture is primary, but even the indirect revelation of nature provides sufficient grounds for holding accountable those who engage in same-sex intercourse, whether out of ignorance of Scripture or out of defiance of it.
2. A simple principle: Both Scripture first and nature. It is a simple “both-and”: both Scripture first and nature—and, I might add, the disproportionately high negative effects attending homosexual behavior and the increase in homosexuality that would arise from cultural endorsement and incentives.
The coherence of Scripture and nature is not surprising in view of the fact that the Revealer who communicates in Scripture an other-sex prerequisite is also the Creator who designs males and females for complementary sexual pairing. The alternative is the kind of Gnostic dualism that the church resisted in the second to fifth centuries. If Scripture itself makes an appeal to creation/nature, it can hardly be contrary to a revelation-based approach to make a similar appeal (within limits; see point 3 below). That Paul does make such an appeal to the created order in Romans 1:24-27 is easily demonstrated (see my eight-point section, “An Imposed Natural Law Theory?” [pp. 6-9] in my online response to L. William Countryman’s review, pdf version and html version). But the witness of Scripture is, of course, primary. It is, if anything, even more unequivocal and binding than the testimony of nature. Let it also be said that Paul was not the first writer of Scripture to appeal to creation’s or nature’s testimony to God (see James Barr, Biblical Faith and Natural Theology [Oxford: Clarendon, 1993]).
3. An anti-Scriptural, anti-Reformed view of nature? Rogers tells his audience that to suggest that creation or nature gives people any indication about God or God’s will for human behavior is an anti-Reformed and anti-Scriptural view. He says:
Paul, according to Gagnon, proclaims that both God and ethical human behavior can be known through observing nature. To most American Christians that just sounds like common sense. However, in the Reformed tradition, we know God in Jesus Christ as revealed in Scripture. Augustine, Calvin, and most of the Reformed tradition, would have had real theological differences with Gagnon’s methodology.
Rogers is wrong as regards both Paul and the Reformed tradition. He sets up a false dichotomy between (1) knowing anything about God and ethical behavior “through observing nature” and (2) knowing God definitively “through Jesus Christ as revealed in Scripture.” Clearly, Paul (and Scripture generally) did believe that some rudimentary things could be known through creation/nature, without detracting from the definitive character of the revelation of Jesus Christ.
I made clear in The Bible and Homosexual Practice that I am not arguing that people can attain saving knowledge of Jesus Christ simply through observation of creation or nature. In failing to note this, Rogers once again shows either deliberate deception of his audience or lack of basic reading comprehension. At the same time, I state what Paul obviously stated in Romans 1:18-32: people know enough through creation and nature to leave them “without excuse”—that is, justly under God’s sentence of judgment and in need of special revelation about Jesus Christ. In some areas nature provides enough knowledge for humans to be held culpable for violations, but never enough knowledge or power to bestow justification. Hence:
It is certainly true that, for Paul, at least since the coming of Christ definitively redemptive knowledge of God was possible only through . . . the communication of the gospel . . . [and] God’s “sealing” of the believer with the Spirit of Christ. Nevertheless, Rom 1:18-32 makes quite clear that Paul allowed for sufficient knowledge of God accessible through observation of the material creation to enable gentiles to deduce that idolatry was wrong and to justify God’s expression of wrath against those who commit it. He also apparently regarded some knowledge of moral absolutes among gentiles as possible through the “natural” faculties of reason and conscience (Rom 2:14-16). However, he did not regard such knowledge as any more fruitful for redemption than the access that Jews had to the direct revelation of Mosaic law. . . . For Paul, then, nature provided the unbeliever (and believer) with access to some information about God and God’s will that enabled compliance with the truth at some level. It also justified God’s condemnation of those who violated certain basic principles concerning idolatry and immorality. Yet the knowledge that nature/creation communicated about God was insufficient for salvation—only the word of the gospel and the gift of the Spirit could convey that. (The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 257 n. 17)
For Rogers to argue that it was otherwise for Paul, that Paul did not see any revelatory character to nature, is a blatant misrepresentation of the text of Scripture. On what basis does Paul contend in Romans 1:19-23 that those who worship statues in the images of humans and, worse, animals are “without excuse”? Apparently for Rogers there is no basis for such a verdict. But Paul says otherwise. For pagans without Scripture, the grandeur and order of creation itself testifies to a God who is above and beyond creation:
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against every impiety and unrighteousness of humans who suppress the truth about God in their unrighteousness, because the knowable aspect of God is visible/evident to them, for God has made it visible/evident to them. For from the creation of the world on, his invisible qualities are clearly seen, being mentally apprehended by means of the things made—both his eternal power and divinity—so that they are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)
A limited appeal to natural revelation here is unmistakable. Only a prior commitment not to acknowledge any degree of natural revelation could cause one to miss it. A similar point is made in the first-century A.D. (?) Jewish work Wisdom of Solomon:
All people who were ignorant of God were foolish by nature; and they were unable from the good things that are seen to know the one who exists, nor did they recognize the artisan while paying heed to his works; but they supposed that either fire or wind or swift air, or the circle of the stars . . . were the gods that rule the world. . . . Let them perceive from them how much more powerful is the one who formed them. For from the greatness and beauty of created things comes a corresponding perception of their Creator. Yet . . . perhaps they go astray while seeking God and . . . trust in what they see, because the things that are seen are beautiful. Yet again, not even they are to be excused; for if they had the power to know so much that they could investigate the world, how did they fail to find sooner the Lord of these things? (13:1-9)
A similar point is made in Testament of Naphtali 3:4 (cited in point I.6 above). These texts are additional examples of the fact that Rogers does not read New Testament passages properly in their historical context. To my knowledge, there is not a single major commentary on Romans written in the past quarter century that would dispute the reading of Romans 1:19-23 that I am giving here.
Not only does Rogers’s claim distort Scripture, it also distorts the Reformed tradition. Readers can get a concise overview of the matter in the entry “Natural Theology” in the Encyclopedia of the Reformed Faith (ed. Donald McKim; Westminster / John Knox, 1992), 250-53. Calvin held the view that I am espousing (this is evident both in his Institutes and in his commentary on Romans). For example:
By saying God manifested it he means that man was formed to be a spectator of the created world, and that he was endowed with eyes for the purpose of his being led to God Himself, the Author of the world, by contemplating so magnificent an image. . . . God is invisible in Himself, but since His majesty shines forth in all His works and in all His creatures, men ought to have acknowledged Him in these, for they clearly demonstrate their Creator. . . .
This [statement, “that they may be without excuse” (Rom 1:20)] clearly proves how much men gain from this demonstration of the existence of God, viz. an utter incapacity to bring any defense to prevent them from being justly accused before the judgment-seat of God. We must, therefore, make this distinction, that the manifestation of God by which He makes His glory known among His creatures is sufficiently clear as far as its own light is concerned. It is, however, inadequate on account of our blindness. But we are not so blind that we can plead ignorance without being convicted of perversity. We form a conception of divinity, and then we conclude that we are under the necessity of worshipping such a Being, whatever His character may be. Our judgment, however, fails here before it discovers the nature or character of God. . . . And yet we see just enough to keep us from making excuse. (The Epistles of Paul the Apostle to the Romans and to the Thessalonians, 31-32; commenting on Rom 1:19-20)
Of one piece with this argument is Calvin’s comment on Rom 1:26, where he speaks of same-sex intercourse as “the fearful crime of unnatural lust,” in which humans become “worse than beasts, since they have reversed the whole order of nature.”
Nothing stated in the opening lines of the Westminster Confession of Faith of 1643 is at odds with my own view:
Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence, do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God, and of his will, which is necessary unto salvation.
Of course, Rogers, in supporting homosexual behavior, accepts neither the direct revelation of Scripture nor the indirect revelation of nature. Here is my wish: Would that Rogers upheld the definitive, countercultural revelation of Scripture as regards same-sex intercourse!
4. The irony of Rogers’s own unacknowledged natural theology. Of course, the irony of ironies is that Rogers, while criticizing me for accepting the limited natural theology put forward by Scripture, peddles an unacknowledged natural theology of his own, and an anti-scriptural one at that.
Rogers appeals to an immutable homosexual destiny for some as a basis for claiming that God “created” them that way and that the church should learn to accept homosexual practice. “I didn’t choose my heterosexual orientation. That is just the way that God created me. I see no reason to doubt the stories of [homosexuals] . . . that they are simply created differently in this aspect of their being.”
This is a version of natural law argument that contravenes both the witness of Scripture and the witness of the Reformers to Scripture. It is no more credible than contending that, because men on average are significantly more visually stimulated and genitally focused than women, society should be more permissive of short-term sexual unions or plural marriages for males—and all the more so in cases of homoerotic male relationships. Or that because some persons do not choose a pedophilic or ephebophilic orientation society should find ways to accommodate such desires while averting measurable harm to minors.
Modern scientific study recognizes that all behavior, good and bad, is the product, at some level, of biological causation factors. Even non-theologians know that there is no intrinsic link between biological causation and morality. A recently published article on the genetics of sexual orientation, written by two “essentialist,” prohomosex scientists, Brian Mustanski and J. Michael Bailey, concedes:
Despite common assertions to the contrary, evidence for biological causation does not have clear moral, legal, or policy consequences. . . . No clear conclusions about the morality of a behaviour can be made from the mere fact of biological causation, because all behaviour is biologically caused. (“A therapist’s guide to the genetics of human sexual orientation,” Sexual and Relationship Therapy 18:4 [Nov. 2003], 432)
The fact that there may be some indirect genetic or biological influence on homosexuality does not reduce us to moral robots. We may not have asked to feel a given way, but we are responsible for what we do with such feelings. Christian faith does not operate on a model of biological determinism. It operates on the model of a new creation in Christ, in which sinful, biologically related urges are, and are to be, put to death.
Paul himself viewed sin as an innate impulse running through the members of the human body, communicated by an ancestor, and never fully within human control. Paul distinguished between innate impulses, which were frequently products of a sinful condition and thus unreliable indicators of God’s will, and the holistic structural complementarity of male-female sexuality, still intact from creation and thus a more reliable indicator of God’s will for sexual pairing. Unfortunately, Rogers refuses to accept such a distinction.
In short, Rogers, not I, promotes a kind of natural theology that the Reformers would have rejected. It is Rogers, not I, who ironically dispenses with the special revelation of Scripture in favor of his own flawed brand of natural theology.
IV. The Rest of Rogers’s Case for Supporting Homosexual Practice
1. The freedom-from-heterosexual-sin argument. Rogers states that a particular remark by a homosexual man “got me thinking” that homosexual intercourse might not be sinful after all: “I can tell you a sin that you have committed that I never have. I have never looked on a woman to lust after her.” Now why this remark should have had any role in changing Rogers’s mind about homosexual behavior is a mystery to me. So the man in question substituted one sin (lusting after a sexual “other” who is not one’s spouse) for what Scripture regards as a worse sin (lusting after sexual sames). So what? This is not an improvement. Indeed, there are now two sins, not one: erotic desire to merge with what one already is as a sexual being and an erotic desire for more than one such person.
Analogies are helpful here. Would Rogers change his mind about incest if a person with incestuous desires were to say to him: “I can tell you a sin that you have committed that I never have; I have never looked with lust at a person outside my family unit”? Would Rogers change his mind about polygamy if a polygamist said to him: “I can tell you a sin that many monogamists have committed that I never have; I have never divorced any of my wives”? Or, worse, would Rogers change his mind about pedophilia if a pedophile said to him: “I can tell you a sin that you have committed that I never have; I have never looked at an adult woman to lust after her”?
2. Rogers’s misunderstandings about promiscuity and homosexuality. Rogers was deeply surprised by the fact that not all homosexuals are promiscuous or nasty people. Judging from his narrative, this consideration seems to have played the dominant role in his change of mind, along with his unacknowledged nature argument regarding sexual orientation (see III. above). But this just underscores Rogers’s naïveté about homosexuality and his misunderstanding of Scripture’s proscription. Rogers operated with two false assumptions: (1) Homosexual relationships can never be committed and faithful; and (2) Scripture opposes homosexual practice only because of an absence of commitment and fidelity. Persons who start with an uninformed view of homosexuality and what Scripture says about homosexual practice are prone to endorsing homosexual practice when they encounter evidence at odds with their uninformed view. Rogers was, and remains, one such person.
Regarding the first assumption, of course a tiny percentage of homosexual relationships can be long-term (say, of twenty-five years duration or more) and monogamous and free of sexually transmitted disease and mental illness problems. No form of consensual sexual behavior of any sort—including incest, polyamory, and even pedophilia—leads irresistibly to infidelity, disease, and personal distress for all participants, in all circumstances, and in scientifically measurable ways. I suppose that we should be grateful that Rogers has not encountered committed incestuous, polyamorous, or adult-child unions. For, if he had, he might—if he reasoned consistently—start approving of some of these types of relationships.
But homosexuals experience a disproportionately high rate of such problems in each of these areas, even in homosex-affirming areas such as San Francisco or the Netherlands. The main problem is not homophobia but the way men and women are constructed as sexual beings. In a same-sex erotic pairing, the sexual gaps of a given sex are not filled and extremes are not moderated. For example, J. Michael Bailey—chair of the department of psychology at Northwestern, perhaps the most prominent researcher of homosexuality, and a strong advocate for “gay rights”—has written:
Because of fundamental differences between men and women. . . . [and] regardless of marital laws and policies. . . . gay men will always have many more sex partners than straight people do. . . . Both heterosexual and homosexual people will need to be open minded about social practices common to people of other orientations. (The Man Who Would Be Queen [Joseph Henry Press, 2003], 100-102)
Even more importantly, rejecting homosexual practice on the assumption that it lacks commitment is like rejecting incestuous behavior on the assumption that it lacks longevity or inherently involves children. It does not get at the ultimate reason for the rejection, which has little to do with the absence of commitment, longevity, and adult partners. We will come back to this in point 7 below.
3. Rogers’s misunderstanding of the meaning of change. Rogers was surprised to find out that most homosexuals could not change from a “category 6” homosexual (exclusively homosexual) to a “category 0” heterosexual (exclusively heterosexual). We have already discussed above why resistance to “change” is no argument for the morality of a given behavior (see III. above). To this may be added the following point: Rogers, like many, has an overly restrictive understanding of change. In the Christian worldview change is a multifaceted phenomenon. Legitimate change can include any, some, or all of the following:
* A reduction or elimination of homosexual behavior
* A reduction in the intensity and frequency of homosexual impulses
* An experience of some heterosexual arousal
* Reorientation to predominant heterosexuality
Not a single New Testament moral imperative is predicated on the assumption that believers first lose all innate desires to violate the imperative in question. Indeed, the greatest Christian triumph comes not when all contrary desires are removed but rather when obedience persists in the face of strong desires to the contrary. That, in a nutshell, is cruciform existence: losing one’s life, taking up one’s cross, denying oneself, and following Christ.
Management of homoerotic impulses, normally coincident with a reduction in intensity, is possible for all homosexual Christians. Indeed, most homosexuals experience at least one shift along the Kinsey spectrum during the course of life, even apart from any therapeutic intervention. Does Rogers want to contend that Alcoholics Anonymous is a disaster because most participants in its programs do not undergo a complete or near-total eradication of desires for alcohol? Homoerotic orientation, like alcoholism (or pedophilic orientation, an intense desire for multiple sexual partners, or addiction to pornography), cannot be equated with ethnicity, sex, and eye color as a non-malleable, completely congenital condition.
Ironically, those like Rogers who argue that homosexual behavior should not be disavowed precisely because it is resistant to change would—to be consistent—have to contend that non-monogamous relationships be accepted for male homosexual relationships. This is because empirical evidence to date strongly suggests that male homosexuals have extraordinary difficulty, relative even to lesbians, in forming lifelong monogamous unions.
Rogers also does nothing with the evidence that I amass that microcultural and macrocultural factors can increase the incidence of homosexuality in the population (see The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 395-429; also my response to Countryman’s review of my book, sec. VI: “The Effect of Societal Approval” [go here for pdf and here for html]). In fact, Rogers never refers to any concrete studies of any sort.
4. The few-texts-against-homosexual-behavior argument. Rogers says: “I have become convinced that to pull the few statements about homosexuality out of Romans 1 and make them a universal law exactly denies the point that Paul is making.” The notion that ancient Israel, early Judaism, and early Christianity only marginally held an other-sex prerequisite for valid sexual unions is absurd. Biblical texts that explicitly reject same-sex intercourse are more numerous than Rogers is apparently aware of. They extend beyond Paul and Leviticus to the “Yahwist” (much of the Tetrateuch), Deuteronomy, the “Deuteronomistic History” (Joshua through 2 Kings), Job, Ezekiel, Jude, and 2 Peter. Texts that implicitly reject homosexual unions run the gamut of the entire Bible, including not only the creation stories in Genesis 1-3, Jesus’ appeal to Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:24 as prescriptive norms (as well as a half dozen other indications of Jesus’ view), the Apostolic Decree in Acts and other porneia (“sexual immorality”) texts, and texts that reject overt attempts at blurring sexual differentiation (e.g., Deut 22:5; 1 Cor 11:2-16), but also the whole range of narratives, laws, proverbs, exhortations, metaphors, and poetry that presume the sole legitimacy of heterosexual unions. Nowhere is there the slightest indication of openness anywhere in the Bible to homoerotic attachments, including the narrative about David and Jonathan. The truth is that, so far as extant evidence indicates, every biblical author, as well as Jesus, would have been appalled by any same-sex intercourse occurring among the people of God. The other-sex prerequisite for marriage is not a marginal view in Scripture. It is the only view and one that is held strongly, absolutely, and counterculturally. There is as much, or greater, basis in Scripture for rejecting same-sex intercourse than there is for rejecting man-mother or brother-sister incest.
5. The it’s-not-in-the-Confessions argument. Rogers says that Scripture ultimately convinced him that loving homosexual unions are acceptable—a case that we have shown to be specious. It is interesting that Rogers spends more time in his talk trying to show that the Reformed Confessions do not deem homosexual practice as sin than he does trying to make the case from Scripture. This underscores how little Scripture matters for Rogers on this issue. G-6.0106b makes clear that “Those who are called to office in the church are to lead a life in obedience to Scripture and in conformity to the historic confessional standards of the church.” The basis in Scripture for opposition to homosexual practice is clear; and Scripture in Reformed churches is the basis for the confessions. To what extent the Confessions explicitly specify the prohibition of homosexual practice I leave to others to discern—though I am largely unimpressed by Rogers’ arguments.
This much is clear: Only a liberal “fundamentalist” or “literalist” can possibly ignore the obvious point that every confession of the church that says anything about marriage operates on the premise of an other-sex prerequisite. Marriage was always regarded in the Reformed churches as the reconstitution of male and female into a sexual whole. Furthermore, references in the Confessions to New Testament texts alluding to porneia, “sexual immorality”—“fornication” is too restrictive a translation—include implicitly a reference to same-sex intercourse, as also incest. How many explicit references in the Confessions are there to prohibiting man-mother incest? Yet who would argue that the Confessions are somehow “open” to such sexual unions?
6. The argument from the analogies of slavery/racism and women. I have shown in my works why these are bad analogies and why the analogy regarding incest is far superior. Rogers shows no awareness of my arguments. See: The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 441-52; Homosexuality and the Bible, 43-50. There was a recent attempt by a certain Rev. Krehbiel on www.Presbyweb.com to lift up antebellum American views on slavery as an analogue to contemporary views on homosexual behavior (go here and here). But I have shown in two responses that there is no merit to such an argument (go here and here). In the absence of effective rebuttals, there is no point here in restating my position.
7. Why same-sex intercourse cannot be judged solely on the basis of loving disposition. As with nearly everything else, Rogers mischaracterizes the argument of my book to say that same-sex intercourse is only wrong because the body parts don’t fit. (Indeed, he says that I speak of anatomical complementarity “so often it gets embarrassing.”) He blames me for not “consulting either the motivation or manner of expression of real gay and lesbian people.” Actually, I don’t ignore the “manner of expression of real gay and lesbian people.” I provide much more documentary evidence of what homosexuals typically do than Rogers does (see The Bible and Homosexual Practice, 452-60, 471-85). Indeed, Rogers provides nothing but small-scale, personal anecdotal evidence. But that aside, I should also say that I don’t “consult the motivation” of those in incestuous or polyamorous relationships either, and frankly I would be shocked if Rogers did. Rogers grossly misunderstands why same-sex intercourse is wrong and tragically invalidates any notion of structural prerequisites for sexual activity that transcend personal motivation.
Anatomical complementarity serves as an important heuristic springboard for grasping the broad complementarity of maleness and femaleness. The complementarity of the sex organs is a very important dimension of the whole, as is evident from the health hazards and repulsive quality of men who eroticize the anal cavity for penetration and even oral activity. Anatomy is also a clue not easily falsified, unlike the malleable character of many human desires. Christians are not anti-body gnostic dualists. At the same time, the matter is about more than sex organs. It is about essential maleness and femaleness. In effect, Paul is saying in Rom 1:24-27: Start with the obvious “fittedness” of human anatomy. When done with that, consider procreative design as a clue. Then move on to a broad range of interpersonal differences that define maleness and femaleness. The image behind this is the splitting and remerging of the two sexual halves in Gen 1:27 and Gen 2:21-24.
In my book the theme of anatomical complementarity is joined to a broader pattern of male-female complementarity: physiological, psychological, interpersonal, distinctive arousal, etc. (pp. 40, 60-62, 337, passim). For example, I state in the conclusion to The Bible and Homosexual Practice:
Scripture rejects homosexual behavior because it is a violation of the gendered existence of male and female ordained by God at creation. Homosexual intercourse puts males in the category of females and females in the category of males, insofar as they relate to others as sexual beings. . . . God intended the very act of sexual intercourse to be an act of pluralism, embracing a sexual “other” rather than a sexual “same.” . . . Same-sex intercourse represents a suppression of the visible evidence in nature regarding male-female anatomical and procreative complementarity. Complementarity extends also to a range of personality traits and predispositions that contribute to making heterosexual unions enormously more successful in terms of fidelity, endurance, and health than same-sex ones. (pp. 487-88)
Simply put, the obvious compatibility of male and female genitals is both part of and emblematic of the broad complementarity of essential maleness and essential femaleness that is so well illustrated by both the copulative act and by the story of the splitting off of woman from a sexually binary, primal human in Genesis 2:21-24. Scripture teaches that woman is man’s sexual “other half” and counterpart, not another man. Scripture rejects same-sex intercourse because it represents a false attempt to complete one’s sexual self with a sexual same. A sexual counterpart is required for reconstituting the sexual whole of an original, sexually undifferentiated human.
In the end, erotic desire for what one already is as a sexual being is sexual narcissism or sexual self-deception: an erotic attraction either for oneself or for what one wishes to be but in fact already is: male for male, female for female. As with consensual adult incest, issues of commitment and monogamy are simply beside the point and come into play only after the prerequisites for a valid sexual union are met.
Go to the next entry for the rest of Gagnon's response.
Here is the remainder of Gagnon's response. I guess Movabletype only accommodates so much text, or possibly MySQL will allow only so much to be stored in a single entry/cell.
No one can reasonably deny that a homoerotic desire is an erotic attraction to what that person already is or has as a sexual being. What else are homoerotically inclined persons attracted to? Why else would a person who experiences homoerotic desire, especially exclusively so, desire specifically a person of the same sex rather than a person of the other sex? And we are not talking here simply about a friendship or admiration. We are talking about erotic attraction, a desire to sexually merge and become one with a person who is not a complementary sexual counterpart but a person of the same sex. That’s why we call it “homosexual” intercourse (homo- for homoios, “like” or “same”) and distinguish it from “heterosexual” intercourse (hetero- for heteros, “other, different”). It is patently a desire for the essential sexual self that one shares in common with one’s partner. By definition it is sexual narcissism or sexual self-deception. There is either a conscious recognition that one desires in another what one already possesses as a sexual being (anatomy, physiology, sex-based traits) or a self-delusion of sorts in which the sexual same is perceived as some kind of sexual other. There are no other alternatives.
Notice here that I am not asserting, as Rogers would probably suppose, that two or more persons in a homoerotic relationship are inherently incapable of exhibiting mutual care and compassion. As noted above, such a claim would be absurd for virtually any proscribed form of human sexuality. Rather, so far as the erotic dimension is concerned, homoerotic desire is sexual narcissism or sexual self-deception. The church has no objection to intimate, non-erotic same-sex relationships. We call them friendships. It is only when an erotic dimension is introduced to a same-sex relationship that problems develop. If one protests that there is only a fine line between intimate and erotic, another may respond: parents who do not maintain a clear distinction between intimate and erotic in dealings with their own children are candidates for criminal prosecution.
Again, I’m not talking merely about what some prohomosex advocates derisively refer to as an “obsession with plumbing.” Quite clearly, though, most homosexuals, especially male homosexuals, exhibit an obsession with the “plumbing” or anatomy of persons of the same sex. The tremendous emphasis on “gay” pornography in the male homosexual community, their significantly higher average rates of sex partners, and the existence of “gay bathhouses” are all striking testimony to this. To say that distinctive, same-sex anatomical features are not critically important to homosexual men would be like saying that most heterosexual men experience only minor attraction to beautiful female anatomical distinctives. At the same time, I am talking about something more than “plumbing” or anatomy: recognition of something holistic, an essential maleness or essential femaleness. We have to ask: Why do about 99% of all persons in the United States limit their selection of mates to persons of a particular sex? The only reasonable answer is that sexual differentiation is the primary consideration for mate selection. Either people want a mate of the other sex (97% of us) or they want a mate of the same sex (2%). No other criterion for mate selection comes even close to this one consideration. Clearly, there is a basic human acknowledgement that a person’s sex matters; that there is something essentially male and essentially female that causes persons to rule out of consideration an entire sex when they choose a sex partner. And it is precisely the erotic attraction to the same essential sex that one already is, to the distinctive sexual features that one already has, that can be labeled sexual narcissism.
In this connection, too, it is interesting that homosexual men, even those who bear effeminate traits, usually desire very “masculine” men as their sex partners. Why? Undoubtedly many desire what they see as lacking in themselves: a strong masculine quality. Such a desire is really a form of self-delusion. In the perspective of Scripture and indeed of science, they are already men, already masculine. They are masculine by virtue of their sex, not by virtue of possessing a social construct of masculinity that may or may not reflect true masculinity. They need not seek completion in a sexual same. Rather, they must come to terms with their essential masculinity.
There is a world of difference between being attracted to complementary otherness and non-complementary sameness. A same-sex erotic merger is structurally discordant because the sexual counterpart or complement to one’s own sex is missing.
Concluding Word
Despite what Rogers would like readers to believe, his narrative underscores that the real catalyst for his change of mind was not Scripture but experiences that called into question his initial naïveté about homosexuality. He then attempted, rather unconvincingly, to contort Scripture in ways that would buttress his newfound beliefs, advancing a temple prostitution argument that is without merit. Ultimately, he effectively eliminates all structural prerequisites to sexual unions and considers only whether “love,” narrowly defined as a subjective disposition of concern for another, is manifested between the participants. Rogers gives no thought for the differences between intimacy and eroticism in the application of this principle of “love.” He tries to hold on to the sanctity of two partners at any one time but he fails to explain to readers why we should maintain this prerequisite when (1) Scripture regards the other-sex dimension as even more significant than the number of partners; (2) fidelity and commitment can be manifested in “threesomes” or other polygamous unions; (3) male homosexual relationships show themselves to be, on the whole, deeply resistant to monogamy; and (4) the limitation of sex partners to two persons at any one time is itself predicated on the idea, rejected by Rogers, that two sexes are needed to create a sufficient sexual whole.
All in all, Rogers’s address raises troubling questions about his competence in handling the biblical text, his integrity in restating accurately and fairly the positions of those with whom he disagrees, the real priority of Scripture in his life, and the consistency and logic of his hermeneutical moves. Then, too, his address raises the same troubling questions for the Covenant Network that sponsors and esteems Rogers’s work. Perhaps the best thing that can be said is that we continue to hope for a properly directed change of mind for Jack Rogers, and the membership of the Covenant Network generally—reforming in the direction of Scripture rather than “deforming” away from it.
© 2004 Robert A. J. Gagnon
Here is Jack Roger's Address to Covenant Network NorthWest Regional Conference
October 11, 2003 entitled: How I Changed My Mind on Homosexuality.
Here is his speech (which can also be found at the above Link).
I appreciate the opportunity to address you this morning. I am going to speak about my change of mind on the question of homosexuality, what I have learned theologically in that process, and some implications for us as a church. I hope that you will find dealing with these issues helpful. My deepest desire is that our discussion of these issues might in some way contribute to moving us beyond our present theological polarization. I look forward to the question period when I can hear from you.
My education about homosexuality in the church probably began with the General Assembly in 1976. I had a unique perspective on that Assembly. I had been chosen as one of two Theologians-in-Residence to work with committees of the Assembly to help them think theologically about the business that they were assigned.
That 188th Assembly of the United Presbyterian Church (the Northern stream) in 1976 had received overtures from two presbyteries, New York City and Palisades, asking for "definitive guidance" on whether it was appropriate to ordain a person who was well qualified in every part of the trials for ordination but was, in the language of 1976, a "self-affirming, practicing homosexual." As part of my theologian-in-residence duties, I was assigned to meet with a group of gay men, to help them develop their response to the overtures. Prior to that I'm not aware of knowing any openly gay Presbyterians.
In that context, I met the person who was the test case to whom the overtures referred. His name was Bill Silver. He was a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of a Christian college and of Union Seminary in New York. He had been working for two years in a ministry of the arts and had been extended a call by the congregation with which he worked.
At one point, Bill turned to me and said, angrily: "I can tell you a sin that you have committed that I never have." He said: "I have never looked on a woman to lust after her." I said: "You've got me there." I had no reason to doubt Bill's assertion of his same-sex orientation. While that experience was not enough to overcome my general cultural bias against homosexuality, it got me thinking.
Over the next twenty-five years I have become acquainted with a significant number of gay and lesbian people. One I especially remember was a Missouri Synod Lutheran student I counseled at Fuller Seminary. He was in an agonizing dilemma between his very conservative theology and the impulses of his sexuality. Another was my friend, and former colleague at Fuller Seminary, Mel White, whose poignant story of trying to escape the fact that he was gay has been published in his book, Stranger at the Gate: To Be Gay and Christian in America (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1994). I have since known many homosexual people as colleagues and friends. In every instance these were people who did not fit any of the stereotypes of gays as lustful, idolatrous trouble makers. They were uniformly normal, deeply Christian, and desirous of helping the church to be its best self.
There is at present no scientific consensus on the causes of homosexuality. My experiences have convinced me that there are some people who, through whatever complex set of relationships in their biological makeup, are sexually attracted to persons of their own sex. I am convinced that those I know did not choose their sexual orientation any more than I chose mine. They cannot change it any more than I can. When they have accepted it, they have become more whole as persons.
That is something that a great many Presbyterians do not want to hear. While I was Moderator of the 213th General Assembly in 2001-2002, I attended a meeting of the Coalition, an umbrella organization of groups that consider homosexuality a sin. I was seated in the balcony. During an "open mike" period, a young Hispanic woman a few rows from me stood and said: "I used to be a lesbian, but I have been redeemed by Jesus." Before she could say the next sentence people were on their feet, clapping and cheering. Many Presbyterians believe that people who are homosexual choose to be such and that if they just loved Jesus enough, they would quit it.
There may well be some people for whom that is true; but to claim that all lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered persons have chosen their orientation flies in the face of a mountain of evidence of real people who tried desperately not to be homosexual and found that they could not change. I didn't chose my heterosexual orientation. That is just the way that God created me. I see no reason to doubt the stories of Bill Silver and so many others that they are simply created differently in this aspect of their being. The problem with assuming that all homosexuality is a willed condition is that it lets those of us who are heterosexual not have to wrestle with the reality of this complex phenomenon. It also allows us to feel quietly superior to those who we believe are sinning when they could and should know better.
I will not rehearse the history of our struggles as a denomination over the matter of homosexual ordination. Most of you know that all too well. Let us fast-forward to the year 1993. At the General Assembly in 1993 in Orlando, Florida, gay and lesbian Presbyterians made a concerted push for legitimation. Traditionalists pushed back. The 1993 Assembly asked the church to study the matter for three years.
That year, 1993, was the turning point for me. The events that led to my change of mind did not take place at a General Assembly, or in a theological seminary, but in the local congregation where my wife Sharon and I worship, the Pasadena Presbyterian Church. In the spring of 1993, a gay man, who had earlier been elected a deacon, wrote to the session of the Pasadena Presbyterian Church and expressed his dismay that the church was not studying the issue of homosexuality. He asked that the Session initiate a program of study and, at the end of a year, formally consider designating Pasadena Presbyterian Church a "More Light Church," one pledged to elect officers without regard to their sexuality. His action was supported by the Deacons and a number of elders. Subsequently, the Session asked the three pastors on the staff to establish a task force to create an educational program to sensitize the whole congregation to gay and lesbian issues.
The senior pastor asked me to be a member of the task force. I said, no. I thought I had a perfect excuse. As an ordained minister, I was not a member of the congregation, but of the presbytery. I was also not a member of the pastoral staff of the Pasadena Presbyterian Church. Then the minister put his request on a very personal level: "If you are my friend, you will do this." He perceived that I, like him, was conservative on the issue, and he wanted my support. I had many reasons for reluctance, but they all came down to my not wanting to deal with this issue. Eventually, I agreed to serve.
The task force of 15 members covered the whole range of opinions. It included the gay man and the mother of a lesbian. Two of the task force members left the church when we began to look at more than what they considered the biblical perspective. A retired missionary member said he would stand in the church door to bar lesbian evangelist, Janie Spahr, from entering the building.
After nearly a year of study, the Task Force presented a 10-week adult education course at Pasadena Presbyterian Church. More than 100 people showed up for each class. We tried very, very hard to be balanced and fair to every viewpoint. We gave three sessions to biblical interpretation and three to psychological and sociological perspectives. We heard from gay and lesbian members of the West Hollywood Presbyterian Church, looked at videos on different responses by family members, and gave a session to protecting children from sexual predators. We listened to persons who said that sexual orientation or behavior can be changed. We studied the denomination's polity, and we designed the final session with two opposing speakers again to balance the viewpoints.
The session did not vote to become a More Light Church. The congregation as a whole did seem more comfortable with the issue. The gay man, who had initiated the process, was disappointed and left the church. I had, over the period of almost a year, engaged in an intensive study of the various issues related to homosexuality.
During this period I did not change my Reformed theological stance. I did not change my evangelical method of biblical interpretation. For the first time, however, I applied them to the issue of homosexuality.
In this context of study I recalled a profound experience from the previous summer, 1992. My wife Sharon and I celebrated our 35th wedding anniversary with a trip to Greece and Turkey given us by our eldest son and his wife. I had taught philosophy most of my adult life and I was excited to see the places where Plato and Aristotle walked and taught.
My surprise was that almost everywhere we went, the Apostle Paul kept popping up. One example was Corinth. Corinth was a seaport town that, in its heyday, boasted every kind of bizarre and corrupt sexuality. When you stand at the place where Paul was tried by the civil court, you look upward toward the AcroCorinth, a mountain on which was a temple to Aphrodite, a bisexual god/goddess. In ancient time, it was staffed by seven thousand prostitutes, male and female. You paid your money, had sex, and you had been to church. Here were sex and spirituality combined for profit.
I didn't think much about homosexuality that summer. It didn't hit me until we began to study Scripture in the Task Force. That experience in Corinth became a significant occasion for reflection on the meaning of the Bible. I began to study Romans 1 and 2 afresh. This Romans passage is considered by almost everyone to be the central biblical text regarding homosexuality.
I have become convinced that to pull the few statements about homosexuality out of Romans 1 and make them a universal law exactly denies the point that Paul is making. He wrote Romans from Corinth. I think he was remembering the AcroCorinth and saying: "That is the worst example of idolatry I have ever seen." I would agree. Paul's point is not about homosexuality, but idolatry, worshipping false gods.
Paul is talking about idolatrous people engaged in prostitution. It is hardly fair to apply his judgment on them to Christian gayand lesbian people who are not idolaters and no more lustful than anyone else. It would be like using Howard Stern and Hugh Hefner as the norm for heterosexual males and saying that all of us are just like them. Sex can be used sinfully or redemptively, whether you are gay or straight.
Paul goes on in Romans 1 to say that we are all guilty of sins just as bad as the idolatry on the AcroCorinth. We have all committed sins that in God's eyes are worthy of death. In verses 29-31, Paul lists 15 sins that cover all of us, including envy, gossip, and foolishness. Then, in chapter 2, he confronts us: "Therefore you have no excuse, whoever you are, when you judge others; for in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, are doing the very same things" (Romans 2:1). I think that should apply to our relationship with lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people (LGBTs).
In chapter 3 Paul gives the solution to the problem he has posed: "Since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Romans 3: 23-24). Justification comes by grace received through faith. That is the central insight of the Protestant Reformation. To turn Romans 1 into a law, condemning, not the pervasive idolatry to which every one of us is susceptible, but only the sexual expression of one group of people, is to misrepresent Paul's point. It turns the Protestant Reformation upside down.
An evangelical conclusion from Romans 1-2 would be that we are accepted by God individually, not as a class of people. No matter what we have done, we are accepted in grace because of what Jesus Christ has done for our salvation. As forgiven sinners we are called to submit all of our relationships, including our sexuality, to God who alone is capable of judging us.
Homosexual behavior, as such, is not sinful. It is simply the appropriate way for persons of same-sex orientation to express their need for intimacy. For either gay or straight people, the Christian standard is that the best way for sexual intimacy to be expressed is through a life-long commitment to one partner. That puts heterosexuals and homosexuals on even ground.
I've heard the claim whispered claim by straight people that gays are inherently promiscuous and incapable of stable relationships. That is simply not true. Again, we need to focus on the behavior of Christian people, not on the most bizarre case we can think of. I met a gay couple who had been together for 47 years. I have met couples that have celebrated more than twenty years together, and many, indeed most, who have good records of long-term relationships with the same partner. That is remarkable in a culture that does everything possible to discourage stable, long-term, gay relationships.
I had often said that
I could not change my negative attitude toward homosexuality unless I was convinced by Scripture.
I had often said that I could not change my negative attitude toward homosexuality unless I was convinced by Scripture. I have now been convinced. I had to learn to be consistent in a gracious interpretation of Scripture, not just for myself, but for all people. I should not treat individual verses as universal laws, but understand them, as Calvin recommended, in their historical and cultural context. I had to learn to apply the perspective of Jesus' life and ministry in interpreting Scripture.
Here is where a historical perspective is helpful. In the case of homosexual people we have lapsed back into the discredited practice of using proof-texts to support a general societal prejudice, just as we did in an earlier day to persons of color, women, and divorced and remarried people. In the case of race, women, and divorce we changed our minds as a church and self-consciously adopted a hermeneutic of looking at Scripture through the lens of Jesus' life and ministry. In that way we recognized the full humanity of these people and our responsibility not to interfere with their right to have full privileges as members of the church.
Now I want to speak of some further historical and theological discoveries I have made. I have devoted most of my adult study to how we interpret the Bible and how we use the Confessions. January of 2001, I was preparing to teach a class on the Reformed Confessions at San Francisco Theological Seminary's Southern California campus. One of my favorite confessional texts is the Heidelberg Catechism. It was written and published in 1563 to insure a Reformed, rather than Lutheran, understanding of theChristian faith in the area around Heidelberg, in what is now Germany.
I always try to relate the doctrines of the confessions to current issues in our Presbyterian (U.S.A.) denomination. We had been struggling with the issue of homosexuality ever since 1976, and appeared ready to do pitched battle over the issue of homosexual ordination at the 2001 General Assembly. So, I was especially interested in Question and Answer 87 in the Heidelberg Catechism:Q. 87 Can those who do not turn to God from their ungrateful, impenitent life be saved? A. Certainly not! Scripture says, "Surely you know that the unjust will never come into possession of the kingdom of God. Make no mistake: no fornicator or idolater, none who are guilty either of adultery or of homosexual perversion, no thieves or grabbers or drunkards or slanderers or swindlers, will possess the kingdom of God."
(Book of Confessions 4.087)
That seemed to be clear evidence in favor of the denomination's present policy of calling all homosexual behavior sinful and, on that basis, of barring gay and lesbian people from office in the church.
That would have been the end of the discussion except for my memory that when the Book of Confessions began to be cited against homosexuality, a professor at Louisville Presbyterian Theological Seminary, Johanna Bos, said that the text I just cited was not authentic. A footnote in the Book of Confessions indicates that the translation is of rather recent origin. The Reformed Church in America and the World Alliance of Reformed Churches combined in the early 1960s to produce a book entitled The Heidelberg Catechism, 1563-1963. 400th Anniversary Edition (United Church Press, 1962). The text of the Heidelberg Catechism in our Book of Confessions was taken from that 400th anniversary translation.
The reason Johanna Bos had noticed a difference is that she was born and raised in The Netherlands, where I also had the privilege of living for five years. The Heidelberg Catechism is one of the three doctrinal statements of the Dutch Reformed Churches. It was common practice in the Reformed Churches of the Netherlands for the pastor to spend several years taking young people carefully through the Catechism in preparation for their joining the church, usually not before about age 18. Furthermore, Dutch Reformed pastors were obliged to preach through the catechism each year at the evening service. Johanna said, that despite all of that, she had never heard any mention of homosexuality.
I do my studying and class preparation in my carrel at the Huntington Library in San Marino, California. It is a private research library primarily focused on British and American history and literature from the 16th to the early 20th century. I thought it unlikely that the Huntington would have anything on the Heidelberg Catechism. To my great surprise I discovered a significant quantity of index cards indicating books available in the rare book room. My curiosity piqued, I began my search.
I read Question and Answer 87 in the original Latin version of Zacharius Ursinus, in a work published in 1586 (1). I followed that with an early German version from 1795 (2). Caspar Olevianus is believed to have translated Ursinus' Latin version into German. Then I went to more familiar territory and read a Dutch version of the Catechism, published in 1591 (3). I also found and consulted a 1645 English edition published in London during the meeting of the Westminster Assembly (4). I concluded my catechism inquiry by studying a 1765 English translation of the Catechism prepared for the Dutch Reformed Church in New York (5). (Citations for this paragraph are at end of article.)
The text of Answer 87 was the same in the original Latin and in all of the translations. The list of those impenitent sinners excluded from the kingdom of God was always, in the same order, "unchaste person, idolater, adulterer, thief, covetous man, drunkard, slanderer, robber, or any such like." I was stunned! In none of the texts was there even a word where the 1962 version of the Heidelberg inserted "homosexual perversion." In every case the list went from adulterer to thief, with no word or phrase, which might have been rendered "homosexual perversion."
So what do we conclude? On the basis of my investigation into early sources, it would seem that we have in the Book of Confessions, a very unfortunate and inaccurate insertion. Some translator(s), imbued with the general, 1960s, American assumption that homosexuality is inherently perverse, took the liberty of inserting that bias into the Catechism. What is worse is that in the Heidelberg Catechism there is not even a word on which one could hang this prejudice.
That leaves as the only possible reference to homosexuality in the Book of Confessions the word "sodomy" which appears in a long list of sins forbidden in the Seventh Commandment at Question and Answer 139 of the Westminster Larger Catechism (7.249). The recent U.S. Supreme Court decision striking down the Texas anti-sodomy law renewed the discussion of the meaning of that word. Its origin is in the natural-law tradition of the Middle Ages that defined any sexual activity that was not open to reproduction as sodomy. That would include, for example, the use of contraceptives, and would implicate most heterosexuals. It was applied to heterosexuals in some states until the early 1970s by which time non-procreative sex was basically universal among heterosexuals. At that time the law was changed to make it apply to homosexuals only (6). I therefore cringe when people run to the microphone at General Assembly and claim that the Confessions reject homosexual relationships. That brings me to my final point.
It seems to me now that the issue is not only how we interpret the Bible and the Confessions, but to whom we believe their words apply. It was easy for Presbyterians to believe that Blacks were cursed by God in Scripture because we assumed, in the words of General Assembly pronouncements on the matter, that slaves were ignorant and vicious. We could believe the Bible said that women were meant always to be subordinate to men because men generally agreed with Aristotle's dictum that women were incapable of reason, and thus of leadership in church or home. What is it that people believe about homosexuals that allows us to apply Scripture so selectively to them? Many people believe that the humanity of homosexuals is, in some way, perverted or twisted.
Stanley J. Grenz, in his much praised 1998 book, Welcoming But Not Affirming: An Evangelical Response to Homosexuality (Louisville: Westminster John Knox, 1998) states that "in the end, the controversy over homosexuality involves our understanding of humanness" (pp. 32-33). I had found it difficult to understand how Paul's injunction in Romans 1 against the idolatrous use of sex could be applied to god-fearing, devout, gay or lesbian persons living in faithful, monogamous relationships. Grenz has given an answer. He says that subversion of the natural order of male-female sexual relationships is by definition idolatry. To violate the natural order is an "idolatrous affront" to the deity (p. 45). He seems insensitive to the fact that African-Americans and women were also deemed not fully human on arguments derived from what society defined as the natural order.
Grenz alleges that homosexuality cannot be "a fixed, life-long, unchanging given of a person's life" (p. xi).He insists that "some element of personal choice" must be involved. That is simply an assertion of his deeply rooted personal belief, despite the evidence against it. For Grenz, to be fully human is apparently to be heterosexual. To be homosexual is a willed deviance from the norm (p. 117).
People construct elaborate theories to justify what to them is just a common sense observation. They say males and females fit together sexually, and homosexuals don't. The most egregious example of this is the currently popular book by Robert Gagnon, The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics (Nashville: Abingdon Press, 2000). It is being touted as the definitive statement on a biblical view of homosexuality. The irony is that for Gagnon, you really don't need the Bible, because everything it says about homosexuality comes, not from revelation, but from his understanding of natural law.
Gagnon says what most heterosexuals believe: "Acceptance of biblical revelation is thus not a prerequisite for rejecting the legitimacy of same-sex intercourse." Behind all of the ancient sources, including the biblical ones, according to Gagnon, was "the simple recognition of a 'fittedness' of the sex organs, male to female" (p. 364). He refers to "Paul's own reasoning, grounded in divinely-given clues in nature" (p. 142). The Old Testament Holiness Code also "was responding to the conviction that same-sex intercourse was fundamentally incompatible with the creation of men and women as anatomically complementary sexual beings" (p. 157). He says this so often it gets embarrassing.
Paul, according to Gagnon, proclaims that both God and ethical human behavior can be known through observing nature. To most American Christians that just sounds like common sense. However, in the Reformed tradition, we know God in Jesus Christ as revealed to us in Scripture. Augustine, Calvin, and most of the Reformed tradition, would have had real theological differences with Gagnon's methodology.
Because he relies on natural law, Gagnon views all homosexual behavior as willful and sinful (pp. 138-139). He thus reads Romans 1:26-27 backwards. Instead of saying, as Paul does, that one consequence of idolatry could be unnatural sexual behavior; Gagnon turns it around and says that the homoerotic relationship causes the idolatry. He defines same sex intercourse as idolatry. He writes: "In other words, idolatry is a deliberate suppression of the truth available to pagans in the world around them, but so too is same-sex intercourse" (pp. 254-255).Whereas Gagnon presumably would judge heterosexual activity according to its motivation and manner of expression, he simply defines homosexual activity as lustful and denying of God, without consulting either the motivation or manner of expression of real gay and lesbian people.
Grenz and Gagnon are rightly cited as the most careful conservative scholars writing against homosexuality. At bottom, both of them depend, not on Scripture, but on natural law, what they assume is the natural order of things. They depend on a Western, Aristotelian tradition for their authority.
Let us instead be biblical. There is a verse of Scripture etched inside my wedding ring is I John 4:19 - "We love because he [God ] first loved us." That is how the married relationship of my wonderful wife, Sharon, and I, began 46 years ago. That is what maintains it to this day. The only concise definition of God that we have in the New Testament is in I John 4:8, "God is love."
The sum of it is this. We image, or reflect, God in so far as God's love is reflected in our lives. That means that every person has the capacity and the possibility of being in the image of God. Our being whole, fully human, beings and our living wholesome, fully Christian, lives does not depend on a human quality that some people have and others lack. It depends only on our trusting in the God we know in Jesus Christ and daily seeking to live in joyful obedience to our God. We can therefore be open to perceiving the image of God in others who, like Christ, reflect God's love in their lives whether white or black, male or female, gay or straight.
My reading of Scripture, my understanding of the good news of the Gospel, my experience as an evangelical Christian all lead me to believe that Jesus' saving act is for all believers. We need to be open to see the image of God reflected in all those whom God has created and chosen. All those who reflect God's love are worthy of consideration for leadership in Christ's church.
I know what my evangelical friends are saying about now. If we are just loving, does that mean anything goes? What about promiscuity? Where are the boundaries!? I agree that we need boundaries. The problem is, the boundaries have been drawn in the wrong place. We have put a fence around homosexuals. It is true that marriage is in trouble in America. But homosexuals didn't cause that problem and restricting sexual behavior between Christian committed gay couples won't solve the problem.
We as a denomination need to invest our money and our energies in supporting traditional marriage and family life. And we need to be clear that promiscuity in any arena, homosexual or heterosexual, is destructive both personally and to our community.
So what do we do now? As a church, our first responsibility is to provide for LGBT persons a "moral equivalent" to marriage. We need to create liturgies that recognize and bless people who sincerely seek to commit themselves to another responsible person in a covenant of love and shared life. Currently, in the Presbyterian Church and most states, these ceremonies cannot be called marriage nor use the language of the marriage service. Marriage is a function of the state. What the church does is give community sanction and blessing to the union. We need to do that for people whether they can marry in the eyes of the law of not.
In 1791, the Presbytery of Hanover in Virginia determined that marriage was constituted "in the sight of God" and "by the mutual consent of the Parties." Therefore if slaves lived a Christian life of fidelity to one another and to their children they could be accepted into the church without the legal formality of marriage(7). We could benefit by following that precedent. We need to provide a "moral equivalent" to marriage for homosexual persons until the law is changed to allow them to be married in the eyes of the church and the state.
Once we have recognized LGBT persons as fully human, as full members of the church, and as fully capable of living in faithful life-long relationships, then we are ready to act on the issue of ordination. The governing bodies that have always had the responsibility for ordination then can and should judge whether people are living responsible lives as judged by their public conduct. With a "moral equivalent" to marriage available to LGBT persons as well as traditional marriage to heterosexuals, the ground would be as level as the law currently allows.
We will never have peace in this church until we apply the same hermeneutic, the same interpretation of Scripture, to all. Presently we have a hermeneutic of grace for heterosexuals and a hermeneutic of law for homosexuals. I am calling for honesty and consistency in the proclamations and practices of our church. We need a consistent interpretation of Scripture, one that applies equally to gays and straights. We need a consistent interpretation of our polity, one that applies equally to gays and straights.
My experience of knowing gay and lesbian people, my study of the issues related to homosexuality in the context of my home congregation, and my own study of Scripture have convinced me that loving homosexual expression between responsible adults is not sinful as such. All of us should be judged by whether we express our sexuality in ways that are loving, respectful of our partners' wishes, and contribute to our wholeness as people. The best way for all people, gay and straight, to express sexual intimacy is within the bounds of a covenant of commitment to another person for life. All people, gay or straight, deserve the support of the church in keeping that commitment.
That is where I have come since 1993. I do not expect others to replicate my journey of a decade in a matter of a few minutes. I do want to testify to the good it has done me. My heart and my head are now more congruent with each other. I believe that most Christian people, in their heart, respond positively to Christian LGBT people when they get to know them.
What is holding us back as a church is a false theory -- that the Bible condemns all homosexual practice as sin. For over 200 years we refused the full privileges of membership in the church to persons of color, women, and divorced and remarried people because we thought they were sinning by affirming their full humanity. When we finally changed from proof-texting our societal prejudice to looking at Scripture through the lens of Jesus' life and ministry, we welcomed these people, and the church was enormously benefited. Many of those sitting in this audience today would not have been permitted to be officers in the church if we had not changed our minds and begun to read the Bible through the lens of Jesus' life and ministry. When we finally accept Christian homosexual persons as full members of the church, as we will, we will be wonderfully blessed.
NOTES:
1. DOCTRINAE CHRISTIANAE COMPENDIUM: seu COMMENTARII CATECHETICI, ex ore D. ZACHARIAE VRSINI, vere Theologi. LONDINI: Excudebat Henricus Midoletonus impensis Thomae Chardi, 1586.return to text
2. Catechismus, oder Kurzer Untericht Christlicher Leher, wie derselbe in denen Reformirten Kirchen and Schulen in Deutschland wie auch in America, getrieben wird. Philadelphia: Dedruckt und zu haben bey Steiner und Kaemmerer, 1795.return to text
3. Het Boek Der Psalmen. Middelbvrgh: Richard Schilders, druker der Staten s' landts van Zeelandt, 1591.return to text
4. THE SUMME OF CHRISTIAN FAITH DELIVERED BY ZACHARIAS URSINUS First, by way of CATECHISM, and then afterwards more enlarged by a sound and judicious EXPOSITION, and APPLICATION of the same. First Englished by D.HENRY PARRY, and now again conferred with the best and last Latine Edition of D. DAVID PAREUS, sometime Professour of Divinity in Heidelberge. LONDON, Printed by James Young, and are to be sold by Steven Bowtell, at the signe of the Bible in Popes-head Alley. 1645. This commentary on the catechism by its primary author was translated into English in editions published in England in 1587, 1591, 1611, 1617, 1633, and the one cited in 1645. These would surely have been known to the Westminster Divines since they desired to be in harmony with the other Reformed churches.return to text
5. The Heidelbergh Catechism Or Method of Instruction IN THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION As The same is thaught in the Reformed Churches and Schools of Holland and Germany. Translated for the Use of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church, of the City of New-York, and others Schools in America. New-York, Printed: PHILADELPHIA, Re-printed by ANTHONY ARMBRUSTER, in Race-Street, between Second and Third-Street, near the Sign of the Green Tree, 1765.return to text
6. Andrew Sullivan, "Banishing a Medieval Ghost," Los Angeles Times (June 27, 2003), B 17.return to text
7. Jack Rogers, Reading the Bible and the Confessions: The Presbyterian Way (Louisville: Geneva Press, 1999), 117, citing Thomas E. Buckley,S.J., "The Great Catastrophe of My Life": Divorce in the Old South (Unpublished Manuscript 1998), 118.return to text
Happy Easter! The Lord has risen, Alleluia!
Here is my quandary: I agree with both of these men!
(I got this from Kendall Harmon's weblog (Titusonenine). Kendall Harmon is the Canon Theologian for the Diocese of South Carolina and a leader in the AAC (American Anglican Council).)
I don't think I am double-minded. Zabriskie makes the good point concerning Anglicanism and the tradition of wrestling with issues and theologies, which I think overall brings balance. Allison also makes good points about holding to truth and that decisions of what the Truth is must be made.
Since learning about the Via Media of Anglicanism, I have always maintained that even the sometimes contradictory theological beliefs held by Anglicans can be positive as God's Church attempts to better discern God's Truth and will. I have also seen in others the strong belief in God and desire to do God's will even though their theological perspectives and lives lived may not be in line with what I think is correct or right. I cannot deny that they seek God and that God is with them and in them, as demonstrated by their verbal acclimation of God, their testimony, and the fruits of their lives. It really is a matter, I believe, of their heart and their intent rather that what they do or believe at any given moment. God's grace is sufficient, and we all are mistaken and make mistakes always. I do not presume to be God nor God's vessel for judgment (that is Christ, alone).
So, here I am. I believe with many of the conservatives and Wesley that there needs to be that internal witness of salvation - I am not a Universalist. I believe there are those who hold heretical beliefs, yet they seek Christ - truly. What to do... Calling people to Jesus is the simplest way to respond. Calling people to deepen their devotion to and relationship with God is the way forward, I believe, without playing God, judge, and jury concerning whether their lives with Christ, as Christians, are authentic or not. Complete abandon with and to God is the call - to love God with our whole selves and to love one another as Christ loved us. Theological perspectives and doctrines change always, relationship with God remains the steady and true.
Anyway, here are the letters that prompted all this:
Exchange of Letters: The Rev. Marek Zabriskie and The Rt. Rev. FitzSimons Allison
March 25, 2004
The Rt. Rev. Christopher Fitzsimons Allison
Dear Bishop Allison,
I write you as concerned Episcopal priest and as one who serves on several national and international boards on behalf of the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion, expressing my deep regret and concern for your actions in the Diocese of Ohio.
Good friends and good Episcopalians are welcomed and entitled to differ regarding important theological and ethical matters. This has and always will be the case, if our tradition continues in its historic matter.
The biggest risk I fear at this time is the destruction of our polity, which along with Common Prayer and respect for the episcopate essentially holds us together. When any one of us shows disrespect for the boundaries exercised by another bishop and his or her diocese, we jeopardize the very things that unite us.
In closing, I acknowledge the pain that you must be bearing as you witness the Episcopal Church moving in directions counter to your own inclinations and sensibility. I know that this deeply concerns you. I pray, however, that you will be increasingly open to respecting the right of fellow bishops to govern, lead and shepherd their dioceses in ways which would not be your way and to allow them the freedom to do so. It is my deepest hope that the Communion will stand, the Church will flourish and we will not be self-consumed and broken irrevocably.
I shall hold you in my prayers as we approach Easter.
Faithfully yours in Christ,
The Rev. Marek P. Zabriskie
Rector
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April 6, 2004
Dear Marek,
I am most grateful for your letter for I have not seen our situation expressed so succinctly and so clearly.
You write "...Episcopalians are welcomed and entitled to differ regarding important theological and ethical matters" but that "The biggest risk I fear at this time is the destruction of our polity, which along with Common Prayer and respect for the episcopate essentially holds us together."
Thus, we are "entitled" to differ regarding important theological and ethical matters" such as denying catholic Christology and the doctrine of the Trinity (Pike), theism and saving action of Christ (Spong), and Christianity itself (Carter Heyward) but we must respect bishops who currently admit they, as a House, are "dysfunctional."
You see the denial of the Christian faith as an entitlement but the biggest risk is the "destruction of our polity." Jack Allin, of blessed memory, confessed in his parting address to General Convention in 1985: "I must repent. I have loved the Church more than the Lord of the Church." He said if for me and perhaps for you.
I am thankful that our Anglican forebears did not do the idolatrous thing in elevating polity over "important theological and ethical matters" in the Reformation that gave us our Common Prayer.
I am thankful that Irenaeus did not take our contemporary priorities that you so well describe in his fight with Gnostics.
I am thankful that Athanasius violated the polity of the Church for the sake of the divinity of Christ against the Arians whose teachings would justify Spong's dismissal of the Atonement as "child abuse."
Perhaps you can help reduce the current hypocrisy and perjury in the Episcopal Church by substituting "We believe in our polity, Common Prayer, and the episcopate" for the Nicene Creed.
I thank you for your candor and clarity and will share it with some who find it difficult to believe what has become the faith of many Episcopalians.
Faithfully,
Fitz
This is going to be rough – be forewarned. I have been thinking a lot lately about the significance of the Christian community. We had a Pakistani bishop on campus yesterday and he spoke of the conditions Christians in Pakistan must endure. A question was asked about ramifications since Gene Robinson's election and consecration. According to the bishop, it has only made life harder on Pakistani Christians. They face much persecution from the Muslim majority.
What is the responsibility of individual Christians to the entire Christian community? Americans love to think of ourselves as free-spirits, individualists, independent, and in some ways having an attitude of "to hell with everyone else." Our sense of personhood and extreme individuality causes us individually and collectively to have little concern for the effects of our actions on others. We see this in our politics, both nationally and internationally. We see this in individual lives as we attempt to claim our 'rights.' I am the center of the universe! We are the center of this world!
This may be very American, but it is not very Christian. There are positive aspects of these kinds of attitudes, but I believe that as a Christian I must have a weary-eye as I live life in this culture. The United States is a City of Man, not a City of God, a Kingdom of this World, not the Kingdom of God. I must be concerned of the effects my actions have on my brothers and sisters anywhere in the world.
Then, when we attempt major shifts in Christian thinking and practice, how far can we go before we work contrary to the community of Christ. As a Christian, I do not have the choice whether to be in community or not. If I am not, I cannot live an authentic Christian life. So then, what about the homosexual issue and the American Church's accommodation and inclusion of avoid homosexuals in relationship? Can the American Church demand all other provinces accept this innovation, or are we simply acting like Americans?
I am beginning to thing that the Robinson consecration should not have happened, not because I believe scripture forbids a homosexual from being a bishop. I don't know. The American Church arrogantly went forward with this action when the world said stop, wait, and consider what this will do to us. Anglicans, Romans, Orthodox, and Protestant churches all spoke out against the consecration. Did we, unilaterally, have the right to do such a thing? Were we simply acting like Americans?
I do not think as a catholic Church we did the work necessary - we did not make this decision in consultation with Christ's one catholic and apostolic Church worldwide, theologians and Bishops in consultation deciding.
On the other hand, is this Church that is ready to move in this direction being stymied by ineffectual arguments by the other Churches? Should the American Church be held hostage by fundamentalist Muslims in Pakistan, or do we make the decisions we feel God is calling us to make? Of course, how do we know if the calling we hear is truly from God? Is not one way by the counsel of the many in the Body of Christ?
I just don't know. Part of me certainly sees the point of view calling on all the Church not to make unilateral decisions that have an effect on all others. I see this also as the people of New Hampshire's right to elect whomever they wish, within reason. Was this event within reason? There has been much harm done. I don't know whether making this move now was a wise thing to do.
There are two Greeks words that appear in the New Testament letters of Paul to the Corinthians and to Timothy. The words are malakoi and arsenokoitai. English translations of the Bible have taken these two words and interpreted them into English in many different ways. Since the 1950's, there is a tendency to use the "homosexual" as an interpretation of one or both of the words. I decided to do a survey of English translations of I Cor. 6:9...
New International Version: (1973, 1978, 1984)
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders "
New International Readers Version: (1996, 1998)
"Don't you know that evil people will not receive God's kingdom? Don't be fooled. Those who commit sexual sins will not receive the kingdom. Neither will those who worship statues of gods or commit adultery. Neither will men who are prostitutes or who commit homosexual acts."
New International Version - UK: (1973, 1978, 1984)
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders"
New American Standard Version: (1960-1995)
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor (1) effeminate, nor homosexuals," (1. i.e. effeminate by perversion)
The Message: (1993- 2002)
"Don't you realize that this is not the way to live? Unjust people who don't care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use and abuse each other, use and abuse sex," [This is an interesting take!]
Amplified Version:
"Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,"
New Living Translation: (1954- 1965, 1987)
"Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, "
King James Version:
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"
New King James Version: (1982)
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[1] nor sodomites," (1. That is, catamites)
21st Century King James Version: (1994)
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"
New Living Version: (1969)
"Do you not know that sinful men will have no place in the holy nation of God? Do not be fooled. A person who does sex sins, or who worships false gods, or who is not faithful in marriage, or men who act like women, or people who do sex sins with their own sex, will have no place in the holy nation of God."
English Standard Version: (2001)
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,(1)" (1. "The two Greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts")
Contemporary English Version: (1995)
"Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual"
American Standard Version: (1901)
"Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,"
World English NT: (no date in copyright)
" Do you not know that bad people will have no part in the kingdom where God rules? Do not be fooled. There are some people who will not have part in that place. They are those who commit adultery of any kind, those who have idols, or steal, or are always wanting more, or talk wrong things about people, or drink plenty of strong drink, or take things by force, or curse." (I'm just not sure)
Young's Literal Translation: (public domain)
"have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites,"
Darby Translation: (public domain)
"Do ye not know that unrighteous [persons] shall not inherit [the] kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who make women of themselves, nor who abuse themselves with men,"
Wycliffe New Testament" (2001)
"Whether ye know not, that wicked men shall not wield the kingdom of God? Do not ye err; neither lechers, neither men that serve maumets [neither men serving to idols], neither adulterers, neither lechers against kind, neither they that do lechery with men, "
New Revised Standard Version: (1985)
"Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, "
Third Millenium Bible:
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, "
The Douay-Rheims Bible:
"Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: Neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers:"
New Century Version:
" 9 10 Surely you know that the people who do wrong will not inherit God's kingdom. Do not be fooled. Those who sin sexually, worship idols, take part in adultery, those who are male prostitutes, or men who have sexual relations with other men, those who steal, are greedy, get drunk, lie about others, or rob -- these people will not inherit God's kingdom."
Hebrew Names Bible:
"Or don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Don't be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, "
The Bible in Basic English:
"Have you not knowledge that evil-doers will have no part in the kingdom of God? Have no false ideas about this: no one who goes after the desires of the flesh, or gives worship to images, or is untrue when married, or is less than a man, or makes a wrong use of men, "
Weymouth NT:
"Do you not know that unrighteous men will not inherit God's Kingdom? Cherish no delusion here. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor any who are guilty of unnatural crime,"
The Latin Vulgate:
"an nescitis quia iniqui regnum Dei non possidebunt nolite errare neque fornicarii neque idolis servientes neque adulteri"
According to Stephen Bennett ministries, the following is a list of the top leaders campaigning against gay-marriage.
'Gay Marriage: America's Leaders Respond' features:
This is probably quite naive of me, but I honestly believe there should be a return to the word "homophile" to describe those who have an affectual or sexual desire for the same-sex.
This issue needs to be recast away from "sex" and to what we are truly discussing - the natural and God given desire and need to love and be loved, to know and be known. It is too easy for the anti-homosexual people to continue to cast the debate around sexual behavior only. As in heterosexual couples, sex will be an aspect, but not the end-all of their relationship.
I agree that many gay people are obsessed with sex and preoccupied with things pertaining to sex, but again I do not believe those people represent a majority. It just hasn't born out in my experience. The issues are the same despite what orientation exists within anyone.
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I have been spending too much time and exerting too much energy attempting to find a middle way for dealing with those on the accommodationist side and those on the prohibitionist side of the gay and Christian issue. Actually being in the middle of the issue (according to me, and certainly not according to stringent prohibitionists), I see validity on both sides of the issue, especially when using the Anglican three legged stool model. I have made a decision according to which side of the line I fall, but I am open to where ever truth leads me. I think, at least for now, it is virtually impossible for us to have civil conversation. The polarization is so complete that there are few willing to consider the their opponent's' perspective. This is truly a masterstroke of Satan. Let the killing begin, just like in medieval times!
I've got to refocus on classes, life in general, and let go of this. It is not up to me to attempt to bring all sides together in order for there to be a least a willingness to understand. Agree to disagree, but stop all this foolishness.
I wonder why I am continually amazed at what the American, politicized, anti-gay Christian Religious Right propaganda machine churns out for public consumption, but I am. It is so disturbing to see what these people claim is God’s will and God’s way. They continually bear false-witness against their neighbor (gay people and others), they do not “love the sinner” despite their continued claims to the contrary. C.S. Lewis writes, “You start being 'kind' to people before you have considered their rights, and then force upon them supposed kindnesses which they in fact had a right to refuse, and finally kindnesses which no one but you will recognize as kindnesses and which the recipient will feel as abominable cruelties.”
In this article below from Focus on the Family, they claim that if the U.N. includes homosexuals as a class of people that can expect to be treated to the same human-rights as the rest of the human population, somehow we are inviting everything from “bestiality to pedophilia.” The implication is that “pro-homosexual” groups are calling for the right to practice everything from “bestiality to pedophilia.” This is not true and the Religious Right knows it. They are bearing false-witness and they know it. The end justifies the means and no matter how immoral they act, it is justified to accomplish their goals. They wrongly attribute their actions to God’s will and defame Christ in the process. They are on a 21st century witch hunt and nothing will deter them, until of course their cause is laid bare and they are made irrelevant (not because God is made irrelevant, which will be their claim, but because their hypocrisy and lunacy in the name of God becomes so apparent).
Focus on the Family is calling on their members to e-mail, call, write, and pressure member delegates from other countries to do Focus’ bidding to deny homosexuals equal treatment under law worldwide. The decry the Supreme Court for referencing judicial precedent in Europe concerning the Texas sodomy case, yet they willingly advocate that Rightwing Christian Americans attempt to force their will upon the rest of the world. It is hypocrisy. It is mean-spiritedness. They means by which they are attempting to institute their perspective in law and culture is not the way of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
U.N. Considers Sexual Orientation as 'Human Right'
by Gary Schneeberger, editor
SUMMARY: Your help is needed to prevent pro-homosexual forces from paving the way for everything from bestiality
to pedophilia as "the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family."
Pro-homosexual groups from around the globe are pushing the United Nations Commission on Human Rights to declare
sexual orientation an international human right -- and your input may be key to thwarting their plans.
The Commission, made up of 53 member nations, will begin meeting Monday and continue for the next six weeks, at some point taking up a resolution proposed by Brazil that "sexual orientation" be added to "the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family."
Brazil pitched a similar resolution last year, but Egypt took the lead in opposing it, leading to a postponement until this year.
Thomas Jacobson, a Focus on the Family liaison to the United Nations, said the measure must again be delayed -- or defeated -- to preserve the sanctity of marriage and the family worldwide.
"If this resolution passes and becomes international policy, a special U.N. adviser will be appointed to monitor nations for compliance," Jacobson explained. "Nations will be pressured to make 'sexual orientation' a human right and add it to their non-discrimination statutes.
"We can see the implications by looking at nations that have already done so. The Swedes have already lost their freedom of speech and freedom of religion -- two pastors were arrested last year for, in their own churches, reading Scripture and saying homosexuality was wrong."
Equally troubling, Jacobson added, is that nowhere is the phrase "sexual orientation" defined in the resolution or any other U.N. document.
"Because of this," he said, "any type of so-called sexual orientation could be viewed as a 'human right': homosexuality, bisexuality, pedophilia, transgenderism, voyeurism, sadism, bestiality, etc."
To prevent that from happening, pro-family voices must be heard on the issue.
"While U.S. citizens are accustomed to influencing government officials through voting, letters, phone calls and e-mails, this is not true in the vast majority of nations," Jacobson said. "A few hundred e-mails or faxes to a country's mission in New York City could have a profound impact, and could greatly encourage the officials to take a strong stand for what they already know is right."
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